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08-09-2010, 06:26 PM
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The last time I was on a cruise, 'formal night' only saw about half the attendees wearing anything more 'formal' than long pants with whatever tropical shirt they wore that day. So... yeah. My kilt and waistcoat kinda stood out.
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08-09-2010, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kornkob  The last time I was on a cruise, 'formal night' only saw about half the attendees wearing anything more 'formal' than long pants with whatever tropical shirt they wore that day. So... yeah. My kilt and waistcoat kinda stood out. |
You've found me out! 
From what some other former cruisers have said, those men who wore kilts were in constant demand for photos and questions about wearing a kilt.
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08-09-2010, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Kornkob The last time I was on a cruise, 'formal night' only saw about half the attendees wearing anything more 'formal' than long pants with whatever tropical shirt they wore that day. So... yeah. My kilt and waistcoat kinda stood out. | It's not just on cruises. The other week my wife and I went to our favorite non-sushi restaurant for our anniversary. I wanted to wear a Kilt, Argyll (no waistcoat), tie and nice hose (she shot me down). So I wore a very nice suit.
This restaurant's clientele have been growing more casual each year for the 14 years we've been going there (and it's an extremely nice and very pricey restaurant). When we started going there, you wouldn't see a man without some sort of suit coat or blazer. A few years later it was nice sweaters, but still dress trousers. Now I see idiots in jeans and short sleeved Columbia hiking shirts (or gods-forbid, jerseys).
The maitre-d', my wife and I were talking toward the end of our meal when he mentioned that, as we came in, an older couple at the bar remarked "Now, THAT'S how they USED to do it!" (referring to our being dressed for dinner). He also brought over a complimentary Laphroaig for me 
As we lamented the degradation in level of dress, he mentioned that he'd worn a 'full kilt outfit' to work the week prior.
It was then I gave my wife 'the stare' and she knew she'd been beaten. Next time we go, I roll in a kilt.
Semi-formal in America today means "I washed my face before coming to dinner". Formal means "I'll wear the good khakis".
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08-09-2010, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown Since both the formal and semi-formal events are dinners, I don't think you have to worry about whether or not the Argyll jacket will be correct for both events-- | Too true - I wish I'd read the original post a bit more carefully! Somehow I'd got it in my head that one instance was during the day and the other in the evening. Quote:
Originally Posted by BobsYourUncle I couldn't disagree more. "Superfine wools and barathea" are completely appropriate for day wear, especially in warmer climates and temperatures. Cut and color are what principally distinguish day wear from evening wear, and black is the new black--because you can wear it morning, noon or night and stilll be perfectly appropriate. However, that pastel paisley in superfine wool will not be appropriate in a formal evening setting, unless, egads, it is specifically called for in the invitation... | Fair enough. Indeed, there are plenty of people wearing barathea (occasionally with silver buttons) for non-formal daywear. It's not my personal taste, though, as I've always felt a light- or medium-weight worsted wool, tweed, or even unwrinkled linen jacket with plain buttons is more fitting for daytime in any clime. That's just my own taste, though, and I'll be the first to say that I'm still pretty inexperienced when it comes to Highland wear.
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08-09-2010, 10:21 PM
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what I did on my cruise is I went to Kohl's found a formal shirt without wing collars with both type of ties and studs. formal night bowtie and studs, informal, long black tie no studs.
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08-10-2010, 04:57 AM
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For semi formal why not try a lightweight polo neck jumper under your Argyle. I wear a white one with mine and I think it looks smart and have had comments to this effect too. I also have a blue and a green one for an even less formal look whilst wearing basically the same outfit.
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08-10-2010, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PEEDYC For semi formal why not try a lightweight polo neck jumper under your Argyle. I wear a white one with mine and I think it looks smart and have had comments to this effect too. I also have a blue and a green one for an even less formal look whilst wearing basically the same outfit. | This would be considered "casual attire", in the same way an open collar shirt without a tie would be considered casual attire.
It's the presence of the tie (and a white shirt) that make the ensemble formal or semi-formal.
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08-10-2010, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BobsYourUncle Cut and color are what principally distinguish day wear from evening wear, and black is the new black--because you can wear it morning, noon or night and stilll be perfectly appropriate. However, that pastel paisley in superfine wool will not be appropriate in a formal evening setting, unless, egads, it is specifically called for in the invitation... | couldn't have said it better...
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08-10-2010, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown It's the presence of the tie (and a white shirt) that make the ensemble formal or semi-formal. | This is my philosophy as well and, while I know there will be those who take the casual route for our formal and semi-formal cruise dinners, I want to actually dress up for them.
I could wear a tux, or even my USMC mess dress uniform, but I'd really rather wear a kilt.
As I can wear the Argyll for both both formal and semi-formal that is one less jacket I need to take, thus saving space in both my suitcase and my cabin.
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