[Raphael]

I found this link from Tom's Cafe.

http://www.jdez.com/men/underkilt/

I don't think I will wear that.

[bubba]

I'll pass on that too.

[Dreadbelly]

I dunno. Might protect you from some fire helmet chafing. Or really itchy wool. Not saying I would wear it, but I could see how it could appeal to some people.

It could also protect a kilt when you have a full tank of gas and need to put on the breaks... You know, skidmarks.

And, I bet if you wore a 22 ounce military tank kilt, along with this thing, you would be warm as toast in sub zero weather.

[bear@bearkilts.com]

Keep in mind JDEZ sells skirts that he has decided to call kilts solely to boost sales. (He took a poll to see what the Tom's people thought of the sales strategy.) It's not too surprising he's selling slips to go with them.

[GMan]

This too shall pass by me and my checkbook.

[Ruanaidh]

My good white shirts have extra long tails that reach nearly half way down my thighs. Who needs an undergarment?

[JDEZ]

Originally Posted by bear@bearkilts.com

Keep in mind JDEZ sells skirts that he has decided to call kilts solely to boost sales. (He took a poll to see what the Tom's people thought of the sales strategy.) It's not too surprising he's selling slips to go with them.

I would like to post a rebuttal to Bearkilts derogatory take on my company's products. I joined the Tom's Cafe forum to learn about the market and how people wanted to refer to some of our unique products. I also do a lot of reading, attend markets and trade shows, conduct surveys, etc. It seems that there are a lot of people out there that want to call anything pleated a "kilt". Most men are just more comfortable buying something called a kilt. I have seen a number of products in the marketplace called kilts that don't resemble anything I remember seeing on a true Scotsman. I.e. Utilikilt, Mountaingear, Amerikilt, etc. If I argue with my customers and tell them they can't call it a kilt, it would be pointless. Like it or not, kilts will evolve. As did the Great Kilt (as I understand that it was just a blanket). Don't ge me wrong, when I think of a kilt, its a traditional pleated tartan. - I am not the one who blurred the definitions in the market place.

As with the Underkilt, my company is about creating new ideas. We work with lightweight fabrics and are in the business of making very comfortable and wearable clothing. The "Underkilt" idea has already been sold to a number kilt wearers whom like the kilted look, but don't like the feel of wool or heavy canvas. Maybe it works for you, maybe it doesn't.

Slips are designed for women's shape. The Underkilt is a new product designed for men.

-- Dave

[kiltedpride]

Interesting idea - I'll post this link on my Board and see what the Scots think about it. There will certainly be a reaction - doubt whether this will catch on in Scotland where most men are happy to go regimental and also have natural helmet cover. But I must not be skeptical and will pose the question and let you know the reaction.
Jamie

[James]

Not of necessity my choice: but how different is it to the concept of separating belted plaid into kilt and plaid.

Take that a step further and think about separating the traditional long shirt worn under the kilt-into the modern short shirt and some form of undergarment?

Having said all that, I think it should be up to the individual-if they want to wear this or that under their kilt, should it not be entirely their business.

Too I am aware of traditional kilt wearers who do wear some sort of such garment under their kilt: I do not of necessity accept their arguments, but they have their reasons.

The point being that if we accept such variants as the Utilikilt as being a kilt-maybe rolled down socks-boots etc: if a chap is happy with what he wears, is it really my business to be critical?

Possibly the only answer would be try one, and then decide for myself if it enhanced my kilt wearing.

James

[Dreadbelly]

Originally Posted by JDEZ

I would like to post a rebuttal to Bearkilts derogatory take on my company's products. I joined the Tom's Cafe forum to learn about the market and how people wanted to refer to some of our unique products. I also do a lot of reading, attend markets and trade shows, conduct surveys, etc. It seems that there are a lot of people out there that want to call anything pleated a "kilt". Most men are just more comfortable buying something called a kilt. I have seen a number of products in the marketplace called kilts that don't resemble anything I remember seeing on a true Scotsman. I.e. Utilikilt, Mountaingear, Amerikilt, etc. If I argue with my customers and tell them they can't call it a kilt, it would be pointless. Like it or not, kilts will evolve. As did the Great Kilt (as I understand that it was just a blanket). Don't ge me wrong, when I think of a kilt, its a traditional pleated tartan. - I am not the one who blurred the definitions in the market place.

As with the Underkilt, my company is about creating new ideas. We work with lightweight fabrics and are in the business of making very comfortable and wearable clothing. The "Underkilt" idea has already been sold to a number kilt wearers whom like the kilted look, but don't like the feel of wool or heavy canvas. Maybe it works for you, maybe it doesn't.

Slips are designed for women's shape. The Underkilt is a new product designed for men.

-- Dave

With all due respect sir, none of those things you have for sale @ http://www.jdez.com/men/ are actually kilts. No double apron, pleating in the back, etc.

I mean, like this for example.



This is not a kilt. Yet it is advertised as one.

And this.



Men's Neo Highland MP3 Kilt. I don't understand. Is it a new Highland MP3 player? Mpeg layer 3 audio... In a kilt? Or is it just relying on technical jargon and buzzwords to catch attention? If it is a kilt, why is it pleated right in the front, right down the middle?

And this...



This is a Greek kilt? Sir, with all due respect, this is NOT a fustenella. Nor is it a kilt. It's a wee dainty skirt, the kind they sell to strumpets down at Old Navy.

In all fairness, the underkilt may have some practical application. However, selling those garments on your site as kilts is both false advertising and insulting for those of us that wear the real thing. If some guy on the street came up to me and said "Hey, I am wearing a kilt too!" whilst wearing one of those, he would be in for a heartbreaking education in the finer points of kilt wearing.

Good day to you sir.