[skauwt]

well i got the first 12 markers in im just awaiting the others up to the 37 point which are due in a few weeks

the results show i come from the Haplogroup I2b1 Brit & NW Eur

and the mtdna results came in for group J* which is the theoretical jasmine who they say lived something like 30000 years ago my mtdna side goes back to ireland furthest i can trace back so far with the paper trail is 1840 in ennis ireland
so folks does anyone on here share the same haplogroup as myself

Ive traced my Chisholm side back to approx 1590 the earliest record i have is a James Chisholm married in 1619 at kelso so i assume he was about 20-30 at the time of marriage he may have been older or younger but i`ll have no way of knowing for sure
now with regards to the surname DNA project i only share my DNA with another Chisholm somewhere in the world so it more or less proves that the Chisholm border chief line did come from mainland Europe at some point rather than the highlands as some Chisholm's seem to think

on the Chisholm genealogies site one of the moderators also said there is the chance im from "the Chisholm's of that ilk" sadly im not too sure what he meant with that information, i know i had a laird ancestor in the 1670s and those mods reckon there is a connection with "the ilk" due to the possession of land perhaps through a uncle or other relative

anyway where are my i2b1 and j*cousins show yourself i wanna say hi

[gilmore]

Which company did you test with?

[Nick the DSM]

hmm, i should try that out.

[skauwt]

Originally Posted by gilmore

Which company did you test with?

the company i used was http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx sometimes certain clan surname society's have a discount on for various tests i manged to get my tests for half price with this offer

[Colonel MacNeal]

I was ready to buy the DNA test for myself until I received my dog's DNA results. It turned out my little fellow is not at all what he seems. Not sure if I could deal with similar revelations about my own DNA.

[gilmore]

Originally Posted by Colonel MacNeal

I was ready to buy the DNA test for myself until I received my dog's DNA results. It turned out my little fellow is not at all what he seems. Not sure if I could deal with similar revelations about my own DNA.

That could very well happen.

All sorts of unexpected results had their roots in those days before birth control, back when divorce was available only to those who were both wealthy and well-connected, but nature took its course nonetheless.

However, I would rather know unexpected and perhaps unwanted news than to remain in ignorance. But that's just me.

P.S. If you decide to test your DNA and find something that some might think unsavory, you might want to be careful who you tell about it. I had a cousin who didn't speak to me for over a year, though she is coming around to accepting the newly discovered and quite inconvenient facts.

[skauwt]

Originally Posted by Colonel MacNeal

I was ready to buy the DNA test for myself until I received my dog's DNA results. It turned out my little fellow is not at all what he seems. Not sure if I could deal with similar revelations about my own DNA.

i still say you should go ahead and find out regardless i see it as a must for future generations ,
im still somewhat awestruck by my results.... but Ive found the family tree dna groups a bit confusing for example the Chisholm surname group have me down as Britain /nw Europe where as the 12b1 m223 clan group have me down as in the Scottish group
so one is saying i may be from Europe and another is saying my ancestors have been in the UK since after the ice age so im unsure how to further this to pinpoint a location

here is a link for the surname database
http://www.familytreedna.com/projects.aspx

[gilmore]

Originally Posted by skauwt

i still say you should go ahead and find out regardless i see it as a must for future generations ,
im still somewhat awestruck by my results.... but Ive found the family tree dna groups a bit confusing for example the Chisholm surname group have me down as Britain /nw Europe where as the 12b1 m223 clan group have me down as in the Scottish group
so one is saying i may be from Europe and another is saying my ancestors have been in the UK since after the ice age so im unsure how to further this to pinpoint a location

here is a link for the surname database
http://www.familytreedna.com/projects.aspx

During the last Ice Age most of Europe was covered by the ice cap and uninhabitable. However, three goruops of humans have been identified through the Y DNA of their descendants. One group was in the east, around what is now Ukraine or east of there. There, the R1a Haplogroup developed.

A second group was in the Iberian peninsula. Their male descendants are mostly R1b. As the ice receded, they slowly migrated up the Atlantic coast and are the majority in the British Isles as well as in Western Europe, as you can see in these maps here that show the distribution of Y DNA in about 1500AD, just before the European expansion into the rest of the world began: http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/Wo...groupsMaps.pdf

A third group was in the Balkans and Greece. There, the I Haplogroup developed. They slowly (by our standards) migrated into central Europe over the centuries, and some then to the British Isles, including Scotland. Along the way, the various subclades ---or subdivisions---of the I Haplogroup developed, such as I1, I2, I3, and so on, as well as the further smaller groupings within the subclades.

So the results aren't contradictory at all, but should be read chronologically. Evidently your most recent patrilineal ancestors were in Scotland. Before that they were in northwest Europe, and quite some time before that they were in the Balkans or Greece.

[skauwt]

Originally Posted by gilmore

During the last Ice Age most of Europe was covered by the ice cap and uninhabitable. However, three goruops of humans have been identified through the Y DNA of their descendants. One group was in the east, around what is now Ukraine or east of there. There, the R1a Haplogroup developed.

A second group was in the Iberian peninsula. Their male descendants are mostly R1b. As the ice receded, they slowly migrated up the Atlantic coast and are the majority in the British Isles as well as in Western Europe, as you can see in these maps here that show the distribution of Y DNA in about 1500AD, just before the European expansion into the rest of the world began: http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/Wo...groupsMaps.pdf

A third group was in the Balkans and Greece. There, the I Haplogroup developed. They slowly (by our standards) migrated into central Europe over the centuries, and some then to the British Isles, including Scotland. Along the way, the various subclades ---or subdivisions---of the I Haplogroup developed, such as I1, I2, I3, and so on, as well as the further smaller groupings within the subclades.

So the results aren't contradictory at all, but should be read chronologically. Evidently your most recent patrilineal ancestors were in Scotland. Before that they were in northwest Europe, and quite some time before that they were in the Balkans or Greece.

your right one of these "aww-naw" moments here spose your right about the time frame Ive been looking at it more in a location term rather then over a time frame
thanks for the clarification

[###KILTEDKIWI###]

"the Chisholm's of that ilk" sadly im not too sure what he meant with that information,

Yeah this one is interesting, as I have Blackadders with the same "of that ilk" thing in their names...

so

google =

Phrase of that ilk

(Scots) Having a name that is the same as the place where one lives.
Johnstone of that ilk = Johnstone from Johnstone
Of that kind; of the same kind of person or thing as the one just mentioned.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/of_that_ilk

Clear as mud?

chur

Phil C