[pauljsharp]

Does anyone have any information about making a cockade? Further, is this still appropriate to wear with the balmoral?

[creagdhubh]

I am sure that you could locate directions by doing a Google search, but I understand why you would ask XMTS members-more than likely the best place to ask! There are directions in J. Scotty Thompson's book, "So Your'e Going to Wear the Kilt", for making a cockade in the two main livery colours of one's own clan Chief, which is perfectly acceptable to wear on your Balmoral in lieu of the traditional black cockade of the Hanoverians (the cockades are matching in colour with the body colour of the lovat green, blue, saxe, blue, etc, bonnets). I do know that cajunscot (Todd) wears a homemade cockade in his Chief's livery colours. Perhaps he could post directions? Good luck mate!

Cheers,

[thescot]

I don't know exactly what you are looking for, but if you want a really fancy cockade, check out Robert's here: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...rosette-56272/

Now that's a nice cockade! Even if it is a lot of trouble.

The traditional Hanoverian style worm by the regiments and generally provided with a balmoral is a fairly simple affair. I found that the hardest part was in finding 3" wide grosgrain ribbon. I had to special order a few feet from God-knows-where to get any white. (I know, many don't like the Jacobite associations, but I do like it.) You can see a vey simple cockade I wear on a bonnet in my avatar. I just use a flat piece of white grosgrain ribbon and sew it directly over the black, or in the case of my avatar bonnet, green cockade without removing anything. It looks kind of rustic, but not too much so.

Also, Kyle makes a good suggestion about So You're Going to Wear . . . . I have made several in white and blue (like the saltire flag) for little gifts to my friends. Thompson gives instructions that are easy to follow. (He even show how to make a toorie, but that's for another discussion.) You can easily choose the livery colors of your chief's--or for that matter, your own--arms and match them. Makes a nice touch, I think unless it's some garish color like black and yellow. (Just a little joke, there, please don't flame me if you're a Barclay or a loud MacLeod. )

[cajunscot]

Originally Posted by creagdhubh

I am sure that you could locate directions by doing a Google search, but I understand why you would ask XMTS members-more than likely the best place to ask! There are directions in J. Scotty Thompson's book, "So Your'e Going to Wear the Kilt", for making a cockade in the two main livery colours of one's own clan Chief, which is perfectly acceptable to wear on your Balmoral in lieux of the traditional black cockade of the Hanoverians (the cockades are matching in colour with the body colour of the lovat green, blue, saxe, blue, etc, bonnets). I do know that cajunscot (Todd) wears a homemade cockade in his Chief's livery colours. Perhaps he could post directions? Good luck mate!

Cheers,

As Kyle mentioned, my livery colour cockade on my old black bonnet (about to be retired for a new Mackie bonnet) was taken from the pattern in Thompson.

And Jim: my chief's livery colours are blue and yellow -- garish enough for you?

T.

[HeathBar]

Originally Posted by thescot

Makes a nice touch, I think unless it's some garish color like black and yellow. (Just a little joke, there, please don't flame me if you're a Barclay or a loud MacLeod. )

Flame! Actually the livery colors for the chief of Clan Barclay are Azure and Or (Blue and Gold), so it is still a bit garish. Imagine that on a black balmoral. As sure as I do it, someone will come up and tell me that its not correct. Just smile and nod like they are speaking a foreign language.

[Mike_Oettle]

Thank you, Jim, for posting the link to Robert Amyot’s cockade.
It is a very fine one indeed, but for myself I think I would forego the lace and stick to plain ribbon.
I asked Stewart Morris of Balgonie about this very question a while back on Facebook, and he sent me some excellent examples which I have saved on my home computer.
He says weddings are often held in the chapel at Balgonie, and he collects the ribbons afterwards to make himself cockades.
Often they are Jacobite, but on occasion he will make himself a green-and-white cockade reflecting the colours of the arms of Morris of Balgonie.
I thought long and hard about making either a white cockade (Jacobite) or a black one (Hanoverian), and decided I could not be so partisan. Nor did I feel it right for me as a South African to use a blue one (for Scotland).
So when the opportunity arises I will be experimenting with different colours of ribbon to make a South African cockade (probably green and yellow, but perhaps also using all the colours of our national flag), and one based on the colours of my own arms.
Regards,
Mike

[cajunscot]

Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle

Thank you, Jim, for posting the link to Robert Amyot’s cockade.
It is a very fine one indeed, but for myself I think I would forego the lace and stick to plain ribbon.
I asked Stewart Morris of Balgonie about this very question a while back on Facebook, and he sent me some excellent examples which I have saved on my home computer.
He says weddings are often held in the chapel at Balgonie, and he collects the ribbons afterwards to make himself cockades.
Often they are Jacobite, but on occasion he will make himself a green-and-white cockade reflecting the colours of the arms of Morris of Balgonie.
I thought long and hard about making either a white cockade (Jacobite) or a black one (Hanoverian), and decided I could not be so partisan. Nor did I feel it right for me as a South African to use a blue one (for Scotland).
So when the opportunity arises I will be experimenting with different colours of ribbon to make a South African cockade (probably green and yellow, but perhaps also using all the colours of our national flag), and one based on the colours of my own arms.
Regards,
Mike

Mike,

In reference to a cockcade in RSA National colours, I have seen depictions of cockades in the colours of the ZAR/Transvaal and the OFS as worn by Boer Commandos in Mike Chappel's The Boer Wars (2) 1899-1902 by Osprey. Some of the foreign volunteers who served with "Oom Paul" also wore these, if memory serves me.

T.

[creagdhubh]

Loud MacLeod...I love it! LOL! Terry-I have seen a pre-made cockade, exactly like the black version that already comes with Balmorals and Glengarrys in white. It is sold by itself, obviously, and all one has to do is simply remove their existing cockade, then sew on the new white version. It is offered by St. Kilda Retail Glasgow, at a very reasonable price. I do not own one, as I prefer the Hanoverian or livery colour variants.

[JSFMACLJR]

Originally Posted by thescot

unless it's some garish color like black and yellow. (Just a little joke, there, please don't flame me if you're a Barclay or a loud MacLeod. )

Which would be the livery colours of the Duke of Argyll, and therefore of Campbells.

[Mike_Oettle]

Hi, Todd – that’s an interesting detail.
The Boers were proud of their national colours (red, white, blue and green for the ZAR; orange, white, red and blue for the OVS), and quite often combined them – for instance an extra band of orange on a ZAR Vierkleur, rendering it a Vijfkleur.
So using the same colours in cockades is entirely logical.
But then I’m a Kaapenaar (born in the Cape), and wearing a Boer republican cockade would be even more partisan to me than wearing white or black!
Regards,
Mike