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    Belted plaid with a drawstring.

    Guten tag!

    I am seeking help with a new project, a drawstring secured belted plaid.

    I have recently read through Matthew Newsome’s most excellent article, “Did the early belted plaid have a drawstring” and I have become extremely fascinated with the concept of using a drawstring to secure the belted plaid. So much so, that I am endeavouring to construct one from scratch just to see how it works. What I am hoping to find here are photos of drawstring kilts that others have made, and perhaps some advice on what and what not to do (materials are not cheap and mistakes are expensive). I have found that the best course of action is to do as much research as possible, before picking up the tools.

    Any help will be appreciated.

    Would anyone know if there were any photographs taken of the John Murray MacGregor plaid mentioned in the article, and if so where could they be viewed? Also, where could one find a copy of the article written by Jamie Scarlett?

    A quote from Matthew Newsome’s article: “Did the early belted plaid have a drawstring”.

    “One very practical solution to donning the belted plaid has recently come to the attention of Highland dress historians. In the collection of the Scottish Tartans Society is a belted plaid that was worn by Sir John Murray MacGregor of MacGregor on the occasion of King George IV's visit to Edinburgh in 1822. This plaid has small loops sewn into the inside waistline, at the rate of one loop for every repeat of the tartan pattern. (Note: According to an article written by Jamie Scarlett, the loops were sewn to the inside. According to conversation with Bob Martin, the loops are on the outside.) A cord was threaded through these loops, like a drawstring. The loops are then slid together along the cord, the cord is tied at the waist, the front aprons of the plaid are arranged, and an outer belt is put on the secure the whole thing. Viola! An easy and simple way to don the belted plaid.”

    Tschüß!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Doktor View Post
    Guten tag!

    I am seeking help with a new project, a drawstring secured belted plaid.

    I have recently read through Matthew Newsome’s most excellent article, “Did the early belted plaid have a drawstring” and I have become extremely fascinated with the concept of using a drawstring to secure the belted plaid. So much so, that I am endeavouring to construct one from scratch just to see how it works. What I am hoping to find here are photos of drawstring kilts that others have made, and perhaps some advice on what and what not to do (materials are not cheap and mistakes are expensive). I have found that the best course of action is to do as much research as possible, before picking up the tools.

    Any help will be appreciated.

    Would anyone know if there were any photographs taken of the John Murray MacGregor plaid mentioned in the article, and if so where could they be viewed? Also, where could one find a copy of the article written by Jamie Scarlett?

    A quote from Matthew Newsome’s article: “Did the early belted plaid have a drawstring”.

    “One very practical solution to donning the belted plaid has recently come to the attention of Highland dress historians. In the collection of the Scottish Tartans Society is a belted plaid that was worn by Sir John Murray MacGregor of MacGregor on the occasion of King George IV's visit to Edinburgh in 1822. This plaid has small loops sewn into the inside waistline, at the rate of one loop for every repeat of the tartan pattern. (Note: According to an article written by Jamie Scarlett, the loops were sewn to the inside. According to conversation with Bob Martin, the loops are on the outside.) A cord was threaded through these loops, like a drawstring. The loops are then slid together along the cord, the cord is tied at the waist, the front aprons of the plaid are arranged, and an outer belt is put on the secure the whole thing. Viola! An easy and simple way to don the belted plaid.”

    Tschüß!
    How ever so timely.

    The MacGregor plaid is not in the STS collection, now owned by the STA, although it was on loan to the STS some 25 years ago.

    I recently examined the outfit and am halfway through a paper on the plaid, including dimentions, detail of some unusual features etc, oh and pictures of course. I'm about to disappear on Exercise for a a week but hope to get it finished and up on my website by the end of the month.

    Hope you can stand the wait.
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    I have also wanted to do this as well, but didn't have enough examples to go off of to see exactly how it was done.

    I will be watching this topic with interest.
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    Grüß Gott!

    "I recently examined the outfit and am halfway through a paper on the plaid, including dimensions, detail of some unusual features etc, oh and pictures of course. I'm about to disappear on Exercise for a a week but hope to get it finished and up on my website by the end of the month.

    Hope you can stand the wait."


    Figheadair, thank you for your reply. I think I can wait a few more weeks. The fabric has been sitting on the shelf for two years so another month will not make much difference. It's all in the seasoning you see. The longer a project sits, the sweeter it is upon completion. Anticipation. Patience and proper research always produces the best results.

    You are very fortunate to have access to these treasures, and it is so very good of you to share your research with us. So many researchers are tight with their findings. This helps no one but themselves.

    When I get this project finished I will be posting some photos of the work.

    Would it be possible to post a link to your web site?

    Tschüß!

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    can't wait for this one. sounds like a brilliant idea. thank you so much for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Doktor View Post
    Grüß Gott!

    You are very fortunate to have access to these treasures, and it is so very good of you to share your research with us. So many researchers are tight with their findings. This helps no one but themselves.

    When I get this project finished I will be posting some photos of the work.

    Would it be possible to post a link to your web site?

    Tschüß!
    www.scottishtartans/research

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Peter, your link is not working. I tried adding in the .co.uk part and that didn't work, either.

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    That's because the full URL is http://www.scottishtartans.co.uk/research.htm
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    Grüß Gott!

    "Na, so weit komme ich heute nicht mehr."

    Yes, now back to topic. Peter thank you for the linx to your web site and die SlackerDrummer for providing the full URL.

    Looks like I'm going to be spending a great deal of time reading over the material on Peter's web site. A lot of time and effort has been spent doing that research, thank you Peter for sharing the material with us. I look forward to seeing your research on the John Murray MacGregor plaid.

    Tschüß!

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    Hallo, Herr Doktor. Your salutations are (from what I gathered in my German 1 textbooks) typically Austrian, so I presume you are from that corner of the German-speaking world.
    I have not seen a posting from you under Kilt Board Newbie, but perhaps I have missed it.
    All the same, welcome to X Marks from the bottom end of Africa, from a descendant of a Swabian (who also has Lowland Scottish blood).
    I have taken note of several Austrian tartans, including an artefact recovered at Hallstatt.
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    Mike
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