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    Concept: Belted Plaid Relation to Leine?

    Do I have this belted plaid concept correct?

    I've been interested in the leine for several years, and am planning to make one one of these days.
    From reading Matt Newsome's articles at Albanach.org, I have the impression the belted plaid was used a bit like an overcoat, and the leine was used as the clothing. That is, the plaid could be removed and the lein worn without being thought of as running around in one's underclothes.

    "The Early Kilt"


    "The Leine"


    Matt Newsome cites H. F. McClintock's, Old Irish and Highland Dress, as the source for the majority of information in both articles.

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    You got it, Ted.



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    Matt has some interesting descriptions of pleated Irish leines. I guess the belted plaid would have been in place of the brat.

    I'm eating the grapefruits at this point in the year. Lost a lot of fruit off the orange and other trees in freezes over the winter, but the trees are fine.
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    Ted,

    Sounds like you have it about right.

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    Thanks Matt. It just seemed like the leine or tunic was "clothing" and the belted plaid was supplimental overclothing.

    I know it's a small point, but I wanted to make sure I understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbear View Post
    Thanks Matt. It just seemed like the leine or tunic was "clothing" and the belted plaid was supplimental overclothing.

    I know it's a small point, but I wanted to make sure I understood.
    You do indeed, Ted! I want to make myself a leine for reenactmrnt wear one of these days. Well, have one made for me at any rate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nighthawk View Post
    You do indeed, Ted! I want to make myself a leine for reenactmrnt wear one of these days. Well, have one made for me at any rate...

    * Raises an eyebrow *
    You don't have a leine for reenacting, and you wear the belted plaid?

    Anyway, Matt's article said thick linen was used for the leine in the Highlands, if I remember correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbear View Post
    * Raises an eyebrow *
    You don't have a leine for reenacting, and you wear the belted plaid?

    Anyway, Matt's article said thick linen was used for the leine in the Highlands, if I remember correctly.
    I suppose the modern thinking on the belted plaid has changed because the belted plaid lead to the modern kilt, which we don't regard as being merely outerwear, because it isn't. We should be thinking of the belted plaid as coming from the previous style of leine and brat, where it would be more obvious that brat was only outerwear and could be 'safely' removed.

    You are right, though, Nighthawk should have a leine to wear under his belted plaid. If he just wore a T-shirt or the like then removing the plaid would leave him in a state of undress, whereas a leine would not, quite apart from the matter of authenticity.

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    There have been three early 18th century Scottish bodies recovered from bogs at Barrock in Caithness, Arnish Moor on Lewis and Gunister in Shetland.

    The last two were wearing léine/shirts. If there is any interest, I can scan a picture of them and post it.

    Interestingly enough, the Caithness body is wearing breeks, but is the only one with a plaid. The two bodies with léine/shirts are wearing coats over their léine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbear View Post
    * Raises an eyebrow *
    You don't have a leine for reenacting, and you wear the belted plaid?

    Anyway, Matt's article said thick linen was used for the leine in the Highlands, if I remember correctly.
    I wear one of these:



    It's plenty long. And in reality, I wear a feilidh-beag, which is more period correct for me.
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