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01-19-2010, 07:27 AM
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While I was perusing a "Scottish Society" website, I came across a purported origin for the practice of "Kirking the Tartan" that tied it to Scotland during the Jacobite era. That seemed a little questionable, so the best explanation was one that I found was on the Clan Campbell Society (North America) website here: http://www.ccsna.org/jsep30.htm
Do any of you know of any source documentation for this practice that predates the 1940s in the US?
For those you in Scotland, have you ever heard of this practice?
Cordially,
David
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01-19-2010, 07:33 AM
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David
Some interesting reading here by our own Cajunscot http://www.scottishtartans.org/kirkin.htm
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01-19-2010, 07:47 AM
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Thanks! I should have known. I think the answer to the meaning of life is posted on the Scottish Tartans Museum website someplace...
Cordially,
David
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01-19-2010, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by davidlpope  While I was perusing a "Scottish Society" website, I came across a purported origin for the practice of "Kirking the Tartan" that tied it to Scotland during the Jacobite era. That seemed a little questionable, so the best explanation was one that I found was on the Clan Campbell Society (North America) website here: http://www.ccsna.org/jsep30.htm
Do any of you know of any source documentation for this practice that predates the 1940s in the US?
For those you in Scotland, have you ever heard of this practice?
Cordially,
David | David,
Glen has already posted my article, but let me just say that all the evidence supports the theory that the service began during the Second World War by Dr. Marshall. The many versions of the "legend" of the kirkin' out there on the Internet are just that -- legend, but as we learned in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, "when legend becomes fact, print the legend." 
T.
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01-19-2010, 08:34 AM
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The many versions of the "legend" of the kirkin' out there on the Internet are just that -- legend, but as we learned in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, "when fact becomes legend, print the legend."
T.
| Legend? On the Internet? Surely not!  As we learned from Rooster Cogburn in "True Grit", "You can't serve papers on a rat."
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01-19-2010, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cajunscot David,
Glen has already posted my article, but let me just say that all the evidence supports the theory that the service began during the Second World War by Dr. Marshall. The many versions of the "legend" of the kirkin' out there on the Internet are just that -- legend, but as we learned in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, "when fact becomes legend, print the legend."
T. | Actually, the quote is, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend..."
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01-19-2010, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Daw Actually, the quote is, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend..." | Oh dear...you are quite correct. 
I'll blame it on only one cuppa this morning. 
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01-19-2010, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by piperdbh Legend? On the Internet? Surely not! As we learned from Rooster Cogburn in "True Grit", "You can't serve papers on a rat." | Of course everything that you find on the internet is true.
Now excuse me while I give this nice man from Nigeria the number of my checking account so he can deposit $5 Million in it....
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01-19-2010, 10:37 AM
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Well that is something else I have learned here.
I have never known of a Kirkin' o' the Tartans here in Scotland, the only one I have been to was in USA, at the Ventura Seaside Games.
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01-19-2010, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by davidlpope While I was perusing a "Scottish Society" website, I came across a purported origin for the practice of "Kirking the Tartan" that tied it to Scotland during the Jacobite era. That seemed a little questionable, so the best explanation was one that I found was on the Clan Campbell Society (North America) website here: http://www.ccsna.org/jsep30.htm
Do any of you know of any source documentation for this practice that predates the 1940s in the US?
For those you in Scotland, have you ever heard of this practice?
Cordially,
David | I had never heard of it until I joined this website.
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