Wilson 083

**MacWage** · 8th July 06, 11:04 PM

On the Scottish Tartan Authority's site, I saw the Wilson num. 083 and was wondering if it was a green or a gray.

I like it. I wonder if I (and my extended family) can claim that as the Wages tartan, and have it milled/woven as such.

I like the fact it comes from 1819!

(not sure how to post image here)

**M. A. C. Newsome** · 9th July 06, 04:45 AM

The colors I show for it are black, yellow, green, red, white and purple.

As the tartan has never been assigned a name, you could weave it, wear it, and call it pretty much anything you wish. Send a note to the STA and they could add in a blurb such as "currently (2006) being worn as a family tartan by the Wages of South Carolina" or some such.

**Blu (Ontario)** · 9th July 06, 06:00 AM

Here's a screen shot of the subject tartan.

Nice tartan. Although I don't know of there is any way to determine the sett size from images like this.

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**MacWage** · 9th July 06, 11:06 AM

On my browser, it looked gray and navy rather than green and purple.

It is hard to use see colors by monitors ain't it. THAT is way swatches are a good idea.

Thanks Matt. I would get some others to "approve" it first, namely cousins in Atlanta, Georgia and Florida.

"As the tartan has never been assigned a name, you could weave it, wear it, and call it pretty much anything you wish. Send a note to the STA and they could add in a blurb such as "currently (2006) being worn as a family tartan by the Wages of South Carolina" or some such."-Newsome

Is that really all that I would need to do to create such an "association?" It sounds WAY to easy.

**KiltedCodeWarrior** · 9th July 06, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by MacWage

..Is that really all that I would need to do to create such an "association?" It sounds WAY to easy.

If you have read enought posts here you will find that most clan tartan affilitiations today are based on at least as weak a basis, and at least you are picking one you like the look of, instead of asking your weaver what your family tartan is!

**MacWage** · 9th July 06, 06:56 PM

I just thought there would be some sort of approval process, or something. By whom, I'm not really sure. I know it it outside Lord Lyon's jurisdiction. But I figured I would have to "request" it.

I could design one easy enough, but I remember Matt making a comment once at the museum that it was sad more groups didn't choose more historic tartans.

I was planning to do a unique "variation" of some tartan that the family married early in South Carolina (pre-1800) or Georgia (early 1800s).

BUT, first, I decided to see what was "available" that was also historic, particularly a Wilson's one from the early 1800s. As a history buff (a trained one at that), I thought that would be "extra cool factor." I saw this one and just liked it. Yet, I was unsure of the actual colors. So, I figured one of the numerous members of the STA could look it up and tell me the "official" colors (which are blocked from non-members).

**cajunscot** · 9th July 06, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by KiltedCodeWarrior

If you have read enought posts here you will find that most clan tartan affilitiations today are based on at least as weak a basis, and at least you are picking one you like the look of, instead of asking your weaver what your family tartan is!

Point of clarification, though, Rob: not all clan tartans have a "weak basis" as you state. Many clan tartans have regimental ties, such as the Gordons, Mackenzies and Camerons, just to name a few, and others have adopted district tartans from the clan's traditional areas, and vice-versa. The version of my clan's tartan that I wear, for example, is also the district tartan for Buchan, which was historically a Comyn/Cumming stronghold.

Regards,

Todd

**MacWage** · 9th July 06, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

Point of clarification, though, Rob: not all clan tartans have a "weak basis" as you state. Many clan tartans have regimental ties, such as the Gordons, Mackenzies and Camerons, just to name a few, and others have adopted district tartans from the clan's traditional areas, and vice-versa. The version of my clan's tartan that I wear, for example, is also the district tartan for Buchan, which was historically a Comyn/Cumming stronghold.

Regards,

Todd

I ain't touching this argument with a 20 foot pole, especially between you 2.

Clan tartans come from a WIDE range of sources. Some "it sounds nice" to miltary adopted ones adopted by the clans to "symbolic colors and patterns." PLUS everywhere in between.

Moderators, report to MAC Newsome . . . :rolleyes:

Tartan itself to me is facinating. I need to join STA, just to free up the dues money and convince Anna, my wife, it isn't a waste. :confused:

**cajunscot** · 10th July 06, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by MacWage

I ain't touching this argument with a 20 foot pole, especially between you 2.

Clan tartans come from a WIDE range of sources. Some "it sounds nice" to miltary adopted ones adopted by the clans to "symbolic colors and patterns." PLUS everywhere in between.

Moderators, report to MAC Newsome . . . :rolleyes:

Tartan itself to me is facinating. I need to join STA, just to free up the dues money and convince Anna, my wife, it isn't a waste. :confused:

You're "preaching to the choir" now, MacWage.

Yes, not all tartans have historical meaning and/symbolism behind them -- but some do. That was my point.

Regards,

Todd (STA Member)

**M. A. C. Newsome** · 10th July 06, 04:44 AM

I just thought there would be some sort of approval process, or something. By whom, I'm not really sure. I know it it outside Lord Lyon's jurisdiction. But I figured I would have to "request" it.

Well,

Just from what little I know from talking with you about how rare the Wage surname seems to be and how little history you or anyone else has been able to find on it, I'm going to assume that there is no "cheif of the name" out there; no "Lord Wage of that Ilk" to report to on such matters.

The decision to formally adopt a family tartan for the name would be his or her perogative, if such a person existed.

For instance, the Hardin family recently adopted Wilsons No. 1 as their family tartan. The decision was made by Barry Hardin, Baron of Cowdenknowes. As fas as I know he is the only titled member of the Hardin family. As such, I believe all he did was inform the STA that he had adopted this tartan for the Hardin name. They did have cloth woven and are now wearing it.

Since you don't have this kind of authority who is able to speak for the entire surname, there is no one's blessing you really need to ask, aside from your own family members who may share an interest with you in the tartan.

Aye,
Matt