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25th June 14, 08:49 PM
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Please help identify my family coat of arms
My families history, as it was passed down to me, goes like this....
John Graham "1st Viscount Dundee 7th of Claverhouse" is supposedly our ancestor and our family is from Dundee, Scotland. Through my research, his relation to me is technically "6th great grandson of husband of 19th great grandmother". Not a very close relation as it turns out. Our common ancestor is my 19th great grandmother, Christine Lindsay. Sir William Graham "of Kincardine and Old Montrose" was her 2nd husband, who was John Grahams blood. So we only share a common ancestor by marriage.
Christine's 1st husband was David Stewart "Earl of Caithness Earl Palatine of Strathearn". He was the son of Robert II Stewart "King of Scotland" who is my 20th great grandfather. Christine and David's daughter, Euphemia Stewart "Countess of Strathearn and Caithness", is my 18th great grandmother and I am directly decended from her line. Euphemia married Sir Patrick Graham "of Dundaff and Kilpont Earl of Strathearn" and that is my family and lineage thru when my 3rd great grandmother, Julia Ann Graham, married Robert Mitchell Claytor in 1817. Thus my last name is Claytor.
My Ancestry tree is here: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/pedigree.aspx?tid=57689101
So, with all of that little history lesson out of the way;
I've had passed down to me a very old wood carving of what I was always told to be our families "coat of arms". The carving its self is on a background in the shape of a shield. I was told it was the coat of arms for John Graham "1st Viscount Dundee" but I don't believe it is.
Bottom line and the reason for this thread - I have attached a scan of a 25yr old xerox image of drawing of this carving I have. I'm also told that our family motto was "NON DEGENER DISSI-PATE" which apparently translates from Latin to English as "Not Degenerate Disperse". It's actually written down in my family records as "NON DEGENER DISSI PAGE" but I *think* that's a mis-spelling of DISSI-PATE by my father who was going by memory. I also recall "Clan of Graham" being mentioned often by my father.
It would be fantastic to obtain a correct Tartan based on what I discover as well. This one *may* be correct considering how many Dukes, Lords, and Marquess of Montrose there are in my lineage: http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tar....aspx?ref=1484
I've always wanted to know the colors everything would have been on the coat of arms, what an awesome full back tattoo (I know, a proper gentleman would never get a tattoo) it would make! My father told me those are black panthers or pumas on the sides.
I also found this image online of Graham-Montrose and the flowers are SPOT ON for the ones in my coat of arms: http://www.heraldry.ws/gif/graham-montrose-01.gif
I hereby beseech you kind gentleman and ladies to aid me in my quest to discover precisely whom this coat of arms was for. I have tried for years and never been able to figure it out. It also seems unique because it has 2 helms and I've been told it may be the culmination of a marriage between 2 royal families, but that's just conjecture. I also notice the apex symbol thru the 3 flowers on the corners on mine represent "protection" according to how it's used, so perhaps the Montrose family member was the wife in this marriage?
Please, if anyone can be of assistance of any kind, you have no idea how appreciative I would forever be! This has been a mystery in my family for generations and I'm hoping with the help of the internet it can be put to rest! I am a British commonwealth citizen by birth (Anguilla, BWI) and my ultimate wish is to apply for a matriculation of arms from the Lord Lyon.
Thank you all VERY much for taking your valuable time to read this and in advance for any replies.
Alexander McHenry Claytor
Last edited by anguilla1980; 25th June 14 at 11:40 PM.
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