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    Chattan Confederacy

    How did the Chatham Confederacy work? Did all the smaller clans report to the larger? If there's no recognized Chief in a confederacy clan, how does that work?

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    Are you referring to the Clan Chattan confederacy? If so, the closest you may get in pronunciation is 'hattan'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlail View Post
    How did the Chatham Confederacy work? Did all the smaller clans report to the larger? If there's no recognized Chief in a confederacy clan, how does that work?
    Yes, sorry, I was trying to spell from memory

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    My understanding is that the other 10(?) clans in the federation came out of the Catti tribe that Malcolm the 1st allowed to settle in Scotland around 1100AD a Celtic tribe from the low lands of Europe. From what I've seen lately, it doesn't actually function, as I was a member for a while, but haven't received any information in several years.
    IF I remember what I read a while back the chief of McIntosh or McPherson are considered the head of the federation. Who exactly is the head depends on which clan you recognize. At least they are feuding...
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    The theory about Chattan origins in the Catti was debunked several years ago, although it is obviously still being circulated.

    The present Clan Chattan chief is Mackintosh of Torcastle (Macgillichattan Mor), a New Zealand resident, recognised as such by Lord Lyon. By private arrangement he is represented by John Mackintosh of Mackintosh, 30th chief of the Mackintoshes and President of the Clan Chattan Association.

    The CCA is an active Scottish Association with international membership. Vice Presidents of the Association include Captain AAC Farquharson, 16th of Invercauld; The Hon. Sir William Macpherson 27th of Cluny TD; Very Revered Allan Maclean 21st of Dochgarroch; James H McBain 22nd of McBain; Andrew PC MacThomas 19th of Finegand; Grant Guthrie Davidson 3rd of Davidston; Iain Shaw 23rd of Tordarroch; Iain Macgillivray. All are chiefs of constituent clans within the Confederation with the sole exception of Iain Macgillivray, who is Commander of the Clan Macgillivray. There are three additional clans, the Macphails of Inverarnie, Macqueens of Corriebrough and Macintyres (in Badenoch) presently without chiefs.

    There were earlier claims by both Mackintosh and Macpherson chiefs to the chiefship of the whole. This issue was resolved about ninety years ago. The Macphersons are descended from the Old Clan Chattan of Lochaber, the Mackintoshes from the Clan Chattan heiress, Eva, and her marriage to Angus, 6th of Mackintosh in the late 13C. These claims were political in nature and reinforced by Earls of Huntly for the former, and Earls of Moray for the latter; there has never been a feud between the two wings of Clan Chattan.
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    To the original poster: Would you like one of us to correct the spelling in the topic title?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Bill View Post
    To the original poster: Would you like one of us to correct the spelling in the topic title?
    Please! Or did I need to? Will it allow me to edit it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThistleDown View Post
    The theory about Chattan origins in the Catti was debunked several years ago, although it is obviously still being circulated.

    The present Clan Chattan chief is Mackintosh of Torcastle (Macgillichattan Mor), a New Zealand resident, recognised as such by Lord Lyon. By private arrangement he is represented by John Mackintosh of Mackintosh, 30th chief of the Mackintoshes and President of the Clan Chattan Association.

    The CCA is an active Scottish Association with international membership. Vice Presidents of the Association include Captain AAC Farquharson, 16th of Invercauld; The Hon. Sir William Macpherson 27th of Cluny TD; Very Revered Allan Maclean 21st of Dochgarroch; James H McBain 22nd of McBain; Andrew PC MacThomas 19th of Finegand; Grant Guthrie Davidson 3rd of Davidston; Iain Shaw 23rd of Tordarroch; Iain Macgillivray. All are chiefs of constituent clans within the Confederation with the sole exception of Iain Macgillivray, who is Commander of the Clan Macgillivray. There are three additional clans, the Macphails of Inverarnie, Macqueens of Corriebrough and Macintyres (in Badenoch) presently without chiefs.

    There were earlier claims by both Mackintosh and Macpherson chiefs to the chiefship of the whole. This issue was resolved about ninety years ago. The Macphersons are descended from the Old Clan Chattan of Lochaber, the Mackintoshes from the Clan Chattan heiress, Eva, and her marriage to Angus, 6th of Mackintosh in the late 13C. These claims were political in nature and reinforced by Earls of Huntly for the former, and Earls of Moray for the latter; there has never been a feud between the two wings of Clan Chattan.
    The Macqueens are were my descendants hail from. How would they determine a new Chief, not having one? And from the little I've read, it seems like this has gone on for awhile, so it that not really of concern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlail View Post
    The Macqueens are were my descendants hail from. How would they determine a new Chief, not having one? And from the little I've read, it seems like this has gone on for awhile, so it that not really of concern?
    The present Lord Lyon is very much in favour of finding chiefs for those clans without them. In the case of the Central Highland Macqueens that could be a fairly simple process, given that there were relatively few families and the main branch being the Corriebrough one. If the line has not completely died out, that is. The Macqueens here were/are also called Clan Revan, and are descended from Revan macMilmoir vic Swen, who came out of Moidart with Mora nian Ranald when she married Malcolm 10th of Mackintosh about 1410. We believe their first home was in Petty and it wasn't until mid-16C that they acquired Little Corriebrough and, later, other lands to the east of the Findhorn. It was at this time that they were considered a 'clan' within the Clan Chattan. The whole estate had to be sold early in the 19C.

    Of course, there were many more Macqueens in the West than in the Central Highlands.

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