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    EdinSteve is offline Membership Suspended for repeated rule violations.
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    The statutes of Iona

    Many think that Culloden was the beginning of the end for the Clan system but that really began much earlier, in James VI & I ‘s time as this article - https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/t...life-1-4869886 - explains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdinSteve View Post
    Many think that Culloden was the beginning of the end for the Clan system but that really began much earlier, in James VI & I ‘s time as this article - https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/t...life-1-4869886 - explains.
    That's not how I read that, nor what it seems to imply in its conclusion.

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    Far from being an attempt to end or subdue the clan system, as I understand the article, the meeting in Iona and the passing of the Statutes was a recognition by the King that the Clan Chiefs were partners in the State for keeping law and order in their territories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cessna152towser View Post
    Far from being an attempt to end or subdue the clan system, as I understand the article, the meeting in Iona and the passing of the Statutes was a recognition by the King that the Clan Chiefs were partners in the State for keeping law and order in their territories.
    I wouldn’t dispute that and the clan chiefs would have been the ones to do just that. provided they fell into line that is. a not dissimilar campaign was happening in the borders as James took action to suppress the borders reivers and pacify the area.

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    Slightly different scenario in the Borders where there was definite suppression of the Border Reivers even before the Union of the Crowns, rather than calling on the Heads of Family (Clan Chiefs) to help enforce Law and Order.
    For example the ambush and killing of the Armstrongs at Teviothead by King James V's army in 1530. The Armstrongs had been on their way from Canonbie and Langholm to Edinburgh in response to a summons to meet the King and mistakenly THOUGHT that they would be invited to assist in enforcing Law and Order.
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    EdinSteve is offline Membership Suspended for repeated rule violations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cessna152towser View Post
    Slightly different scenario in the Borders where there was definite suppression of the Border Reivers even before the Union of the Crowns, rather than calling on the Heads of Family (Clan Chiefs) to help enforce Law and Order.
    For example the ambush and killing of the Armstrongs at Teviothead by King James V's army in 1530. The Armstrongs had been on their way from Canonbie and Langholm to Edinburgh in response to a summons to meet the King and mistakenly THOUGHT that they would be invited to assist in enforcing Law and Order.
    And of course the “disputed lands” were a running sore long before the union of the crowns but James then had the authority on both sides of the border to impose some law upon them. And,of course, it was he who transplanted many of the troublesome borderers to Ireland where they proved a formidable bulwark against an aggressive native population. Nothing much has changed over the last 400 years or so has it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdinSteve View Post
    And of course the “disputed lands” were a running sore long before the union of the crowns but James then had the authority on both sides of the border to impose some law upon them. And,of course, it was he who transplanted many of the troublesome borderers to Ireland where they proved a formidable bulwark against an aggressive native population. Nothing much has changed over the last 400 years or so has it?
    Those on the board in Scotland, or her diaspora should thank their lucky stars the Clan System, as it was, was systematically destroyed and replaced with the version we have today.

    The Scottish Clan, caste system, was one of the last backward feudal systems to be dismantled, and helped the people of Scotland to gain true freedom.

    https://youtu.be/mkxW-nB0nNU

    Watch the attached, for a better look into the past, and the King over the water.

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