Taylor !

[Mac Ghille Sheathanaich]

Greetings, 20 November, 6:08amMST Taylor (Tailor), was one of the Riding Surnames of The Borders, on the English side during the 16th century. According to the work of George MacDonald Fraser, "The Steel Bonnets", they hailed from the area around Carlisle.

In 1583, the Taylors and Robsons were engaged in a feud with the Armstrongs from the Scottish side. However there had been a time when the Taylors and the Armstrongs were allies. According to Fraser, the Taylors were not one of the prominent families, like the Carletons, Grahams and Fenwicks were.

In keeping with the customs of that period, they probably sided up with whatever more powerful Families that they could, for protection and a cut of the loot. Alliances changed as often as the weather and the eternal quest for all the Borders folk, was to be on the side that was winning.

Fide et Fortitudine, aye!

T.

[Ancienne Alliance]

Greetings, 20 November, 6:08amMST Taylor (Tailor), was one of the Riding Surnames of The Borders, on the English side during the 16th century. According to the work of George MacDonald Fraser, "The Steel Bonnets", they hailed from the area around Carlisle.

In 1583, the Taylors and Robsons were engaged in a feud with the Armstrongs from the Scottish side. However there had been a time when the Taylors and the Armstrongs were allies. According to Fraser, the Taylors were not one of the prominent families, like the Carletons, Grahams and Fenwicks were.

In keeping with the customs of that period, they probably sided up with whatever more powerful Families that they could, for protection and a cut of the loot. Alliances changed as often as the weather and the eternal quest for all the Borders folk, was to be on the side that was winning.

Fide et Fortitudine, aye!

T.

Thank you very much ! That was very instructive.


Best,

Robert

[Ancienne Alliance]

My name is Taylor, and some years ago some relatives of mine, now living in Canada, undertook research of our family ancestors. They were unable to be sure of accuracy back farther than 1581, but nevertheless believed that the line continued back to an ancester named Taillour, who came to England with William I in 1066. Interesting! you carry on the thread, I'll continue to watch, and, hopefully, learn more.

LK

I would have some service to ask you.

Could you please ask your relatives if this rings a bell: Richard Taylor/Taillard, son of Robert Taylor and Marie Ouilchet (or Quilchet) in Laval (Canada) before 1790


Kindest Regards,

Robert

[LewdiKris]

I would have some service to ask you.

Could you please ask your relatives if this rings a bell: Richard Taylor/Taillard, son of Robert Taylor and Marie Ouilchet (or Quilchet) in Laval (Canada) before 1790


Kindest Regards,

Robert

My relatives in Canada only went there after the great war (1914-1918), and all the research they did I have a copy of here. All the information relates to Taylors (or Taillours) in UK. I've looked through and find no reference to any Taylor (or Taillard) in Canada, sorry.

Regards LK

[Mac Ghille Sheathanaich]

Greetings again, 20 November, 6:18pmMST

Here is a link to one of the better sites about the 16th century Borders.

http://http://www.nwlink.com/~scotlass/border.htm

This site has a wealth of information about the lives and times of the Borderers.

another one for you all also:

http://http://www.theborderers.info/index.html

This is a group of re-enactors in southwest Scotland. A pal of mine in Dumfries is a member. Lots of good photos and historical info.

Men who would steal the sky if they could but grasp it.


Fide et Fortitudine, aye!

T.

[Redshank]

allegedly Taylor was at one time the most common surname in Scotland,
here on the west coast many MacIntailor's anglecised there gaelic surname to Taylor, so aside from a lowland borders name, it can also be found in the highlands in vast numbers, a Taylor was even recorded as fighting for the Jacobite cause at Culloden as to his fate, I haven't managed to find out as yet.

One of my interests that I dont shout about, is visiting old graveyards in search of interesting gravestones, on one of my trips to Skipness, Kintyre at the old 13th Century chapel I stumbled across a gravestone beautifully carved on one side and shows the tailor's goose necked iron and pair of scissors. also carved is the conventional winged head, and the skull and crossed bones both symbols of mortality, the reverse of the gravestone is inscribed to a Taylor who departed this world 1727, the inscription reads "This is erected by Donald HAYMAND taylor in COLPHEN and Cathrine TAYLOR his spouse" Donald Haymand Taylor's occupation is recorded as a Tailor.

[Ancienne Alliance]

allegedly Taylor was at one time the most common surname in Scotland,
here on the west coast many MacIntailor's anglecised there gaelic surname to Taylor, so aside from a lowland borders name, it can also be found in the highlands in vast numbers, a Taylor was even recorded as fighting for the Jacobite cause at Culloden as to his fate, I haven't managed to find out as yet.

One of my interests that I dont shout about, is visiting old graveyards in search of interesting gravestones, on one of my trips to Skipness, Kintyre at the old 13th Century chapel I stumbled across a gravestone beautifully carved on one side and shows the tailor's goose necked iron and pair of scissors. also carved is the conventional winged head, and the skull and crossed bones both symbols of mortality, the reverse of the gravestone is inscribed to a Taylor who departed this world 1727, the inscription reads "This is erected by Donald HAYMAND taylor in COLPHEN and Cathrine TAYLOR his spouse" Donald Haymand Taylor's occupation is recorded as a Tailor.

Chris,

Thank you so very much for this precious infomation and photo !


Best,

Robert

[Mac Ghille Sheathanaich]

Greetings all, 21 November, 4:31pmMST


I have wondered a lot about common names associated with a person's trade. Tailor, Smith, Weaver, Gardner, Warden, Cooper, etc. Insofar as these names can be found amongs Scots, I have to believe that the other European equivalents of these same names are to be found on the Continent.

Schmidt=Smith, etc. It has already been pointed out that the Scottish Taylors were probably of French Norman origin, as with many of the non-Gaelic Scots names. There were a lot of Normans who came to Britain with the Conqueror and stayed. But I digress.....

A lot of Continental European immigrants who went to English speaking countries, Anglicized thir family names in the spirit of assimilation. So a 25th generation village blacksmith in Bavaria, may have got the hell out at some cataclysmic point, and finding himself and wee bit of baggage in England; went from Heinrich Schmidt to Henry Smith.

Fide et Fortitudine, aye!

T.

[jhockin]

[QUOTE=Ancienne Alliance;822786]
Richard Taylor/Taillard, son of Robert Taylor and Marie Ouilchet (or Quilchet) in Laval (Canada) before 1790

Robert: try these websites:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/g...y/index-e.html

http://www.banq.qc.ca/portal/dt/accu...tion=mode_1024

http://genforum.genealogy.com/

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/

you just MAY "get lucky"!

[Ancienne Alliance]

Here is the story...

First a long story about Katherine AKA Marie Françoise. STEVENS, some of you surely remember the context of the times, the late 1680s.

This was a period when Indian Raids occurred in the British American Colonies. The Indians were allied with the French colonists or Canadians in Quebec.

The Captives from these raids were brought to Quebec and, ransomed from the Indians by French Bourgoisie. It seems that those English Captives might then have become endentured servants to their 'rescuers'. Their first names were changed on conversion to the Catholic Church and, over time, many lost their original English names ie TALARD from TAYLOR because of the way it sounded to many people who were illiterate.

In a nutshell, by her wedding to Jacques François PAQUET, on August 1, 1697 in Quebec, Katherine is related to his ancestors, the TAYLORS.

The Taylors could have had the same fate as captives...


Best,

Robert