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    incorrect "military spec" kilt

    Just saw this on Ebay, said to be a "military spec" Black Watch kilt.

    It is not.

    Just a heads-up in case anyone was looking for an accurate military kilt, this isn't it.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Watch...UAAOSwrhNcmEfD
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    For starters, it's not even Black Watch tartan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    For starters, it's not even Black Watch tartan...
    Actually it appears to be Black Watch (smallest sett) according to the Scottish Register of Tartans. But I'm not always right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiltedsawyer View Post
    Actually it appears to be Black Watch (smallest sett) according to the Scottish Register of Tartans. But I'm not always right.
    Hmm. It may be an obscure Black Watch variant, but it is not the Black Watch tartan used in military kilts that they claim to be reproducing.

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    WPG is getting out of offering these Pakistani made kilts, fortunately in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiltedsawyer View Post
    it appears to be Black Watch (smallest sett)
    It's not the size of the sett (which by the way is too small for an MOD Black Watch kilt) but the sett itself.

    Black Watch has a distinctive "double track" motif that the WPG kilt's tartan lacks.
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    Here's Black Watch, you can see the "double track" motif: the pairs of black lines in the blue alternating between a single pair in the centre of the blue area, and being two pairs at the edges of the blue area:



    The tartan of that WPG kilt lacks this feature, with every blue area having the single pair of black lines in the centre.
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    Three possibilities for the tartan

    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    I searched the tartan registry and found three possibilities for the tartan:

    Black Watch (smallest sett) (this seems to be an alternate tartan to the more common Black Watch)

    Sutherland 42nd

    Campbell, the 42nd

    I'll let someone with a better eye for detail figure out whether it's an exact match to any of those three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl R View Post
    I searched the tartan registry and found three possibilities for the tartan:

    Black Watch (smallest sett) (this seems to be an alternate tartan to the more common Black Watch)

    Sutherland 42nd

    Campbell, the 42nd

    I'll let someone with a better eye for detail figure out whether it's an exact match to any of those three.
    The information for all three entries is suspect and should be treated with caution. I'm not convinced Wilsons wove this but they well could have done. It's certainly not their 'Smallest 42nd', that was exactly what it sounds like, the standard 42nd tartan in a small setting.

    The Clans Originaux collection (1880) includes a specimen of this named Black Watch
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    Quite by chance the STA had an enquiry this week from an ex-member of the NYPD asking about the use of this sett to line their winter Reefer Jackets. The tradition is that they were granted permission to use it by Queen Victoria, something I doubt.

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    “Military spec kilt

    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    Just saw this on Ebay, said to be a "military spec" Black Watch kilt.

    It is not.

    Just a heads-up in case anyone was looking for an accurate military kilt, this isn't it.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Watch...UAAOSwrhNcmEfD
    I have 3 government issue Black Watch kilts, never seen one with double bar harness buckles, like this one. If you look at the seller’s website, you’ll find he normally sells these for $195.00USD.

    https://onlinemilitaria.net/products...n-Black-Watch/
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