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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Jock Scot View Post
    Many British units(the Scottish Horse for one) wore the "slouch" hat during the Boer War----your picture looks of this era------
    Those were my thoughts to, Jock.
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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    Wick Scouts Jubilee Procession 1935 - High Street, Wick, Caithness, Scotland.

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    Jim (Hamish) Clark - 1951

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    Herring Queen, Wick. 1951.

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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    Time for some battledress with kilts!!

    The Cameron Highlanders of Ottowa in Caen, 1944:



    The Massed Bands at the victory parade in Germany 1945:



    George Sands, Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders, 1945:



    And now for something completely different:



    And the uniforms of the 91st Foot, the Argyllshire Highlanders, in 1864. They were one of the Highland regiments which did not regain the kilt until the 1881 reforms. Note that the Black Watch pipers were not the only ones to wear the Feather Bonnet at this time.

    Last edited by OC Richard; 15th January 12 at 05:06 AM.
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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    And now for something completely different:

    OC Richard, do you have any background info on this photo? I'm curious about the gentleman in the middle. He is wearing what appears to be formal civilian evening wear, which seems oddly out of place with the military uniforms of the others and the background of the photo. I realize that such "evening wear versus day wear" conventions may not have existed back then, but I must admit, his garb confuses me!

    I see what appears to be a formal wing collar shirt and bowtie with a waistcoat and PC-like jacket with lapels, worn with buckle brogues, a fancy dirk on a dirk belt with shiny waistplate, Argyll hose (?), fly plaid, and a wonderfully ornate cantle on his horse hair sporran. And perhaps mini-medals on his lapel... I can't tell. But then the bonnet throws me off (is this customary with such formal attire?). And he's wearing this in the middle of the day, outdoors, in some sort of military parade or ceremony?

    Do you know where this was, what year it was taken, what the circumstances were, etc.? I freely admit I'm not familiar with these names or military conventions, and I'm just curious about how his attire fits in with the context of the photo.

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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    OC Richard, do you have any background info on this photo? I'm curious about the gentleman in the middle. He is wearing what appears to be formal civilian evening wear, which seems oddly out of place with the military uniforms of the others and the background of the photo. I realize that such "evening wear versus day wear" conventions may not have existed back then, but I must admit, his garb confuses me!

    I see what appears to be a formal wing collar shirt and bowtie with a waistcoat and PC-like jacket with lapels, worn with buckle brogues, a fancy dirk on a dirk belt with shiny waistplate, Argyll hose (?), fly plaid, and a wonderfully ornate cantle on his horse hair sporran. And perhaps mini-medals on his lapel... I can't tell. But then the bonnet throws me off (is this customary with such formal attire?). And he's wearing this in the middle of the day, outdoors, in some sort of military parade or ceremony?
    This photo could have been taken in the late afternoon. Many believe that evening wear is only worn after sunset (what most would say is evening). Evening starts at 6 pm, traditionally. If he traveled to the event he would more than likely dressed prior; knowing he would arrive and not have the time or place to change.

    Also notice the shadows, these men are turned toward the sun... a trick used if you are losing light... just before sunset.

    Just some ramblings...
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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryT View Post

    Also notice the shadows, these men are turned toward the sun... a trick used if you are losing light... just before sunset.
    but then wouldn't they be longer shadows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenlivet View Post
    but then wouldn't they be longer shadows?
    Aye, the shadows are what made me question that this is a daytime event. My guess, based on the length of the shadows, is that it's either about 10am or 2pm (maybe even 9am or 3pm). Definitely not anywhere close to "evening".

    But then again, maybe the "evening wear versus day wear" rules don't apply here, or didn't apply at the time... which is why I'm so curious.

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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    OC Richard, do you have any background info on this photo? I'm curious about the gentleman in the middle. He is wearing what appears to be formal civilian evening wear, which seems oddly out of place with the military uniforms of the others and the background of the photo. I realize that such "evening wear versus day wear" conventions may not have existed back then, but I must admit, his garb confuses me!

    I see what appears to be a formal wing collar shirt and bowtie with a waistcoat and PC-like jacket with lapels, worn with buckle brogues, a fancy dirk on a dirk belt with shiny waistplate, Argyll hose (?), fly plaid, and a wonderfully ornate cantle on his horse hair sporran. And perhaps mini-medals on his lapel... I can't tell. But then the bonnet throws me off (is this customary with such formal attire?). And he's wearing this in the middle of the day, outdoors, in some sort of military parade or ceremony?

    Do you know where this was, what year it was taken, what the circumstances were, etc.? I freely admit I'm not familiar with these names or military conventions, and I'm just curious about how his attire fits in with the context of the photo.
    Hi Tobus, I can't tell you very much about the occassion of the photo, but the gentleman in the middle is Pipe Major Neil Sutherland (Calgary Highlanders). You can find this photo and background on Pipe Mjr Sutherland that I posted earlier in this thread here.
    Also the picture above of the pipers at St. Valery can be seen in an early post(ings) I made of the 5th Camerons in WWII (most shown in battledress by the way). Not to be nit-picky, and I know it can be a pain with the number of postings already, but we're starting to see more than a few duplicate postings here in the Vintage Kilt photo thread. Just saying
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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    Aye, the shadows are what made me question that this is a daytime event. My guess, based on the length of the shadows, is that it's either about 10am or 2pm (maybe even 9am or 3pm). Definitely not anywhere close to "evening".

    But then again, maybe the "evening wear versus day wear" rules don't apply here, or didn't apply at the time... which is why I'm so curious.
    Who knows... when I first saw this, I immediately thought piper competition. Which explains the captions. If that is the case, I understand the formal dress... including medals and dirk. He is simply wearing the equivalent of a "stroller" suit during the day. He is just wearing the black lounge version of highland dress.

    Because it can clearly be seen where the kilts fall... I would also venture a bet the photographer was low, perhaps, even kneeling, this would also explain the illusion of short shadows.

    It is fun to speculate

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    Re: Show us your Vintage Kilt Photos

    About those three pipers, as the caption says they're the men that came in 1st 2nd and 3rd in a piping competition. The man on the left appears to be a military Pipe Major, the man on the right in the uniform of a civilian pipe band (many of which wore uniforms very similar to military uniforms) while the man in the centre is wearing ordinary civilian Highland Dress of the time, a Regulation Doublet, long hair sporran, etc.

    It was, and still is, quite common for pipers to "dress up" a bit and to wear black jackets with silver buttons during the daytime.

    In fact most pipe bands nowadays (the ones that have jackets) wear black Argyll jackets with silver buttons at all their competitions, which take place at Highland Games during the day.

    At the time that photo was taken it was quite usual to wear long hair sporrans with civilian Evening Dress... and it's fairly common nowadays too.
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