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07-19-2009, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stratherrick Aye, it was a missing "w", and me so pedantic, well, most of the time
Whether it's an urban myth, I'm not sure either. The times when I have heard it brought up are in pubs and when I've been watching Scotland play international football matches. As regards the latter, some folks get away with it as they say that, for the day, they're in the Tartan Army!
I've never seen matters come to blows, but I have seen a few heated arguments. Maybe I'll write to the Scottish military to find out the sense and sensibilities of it all.
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Bruce | Bruce,
I would suggest consulting with the Scottish Military Historical Society, or the aforementioned Stuart Reid.
I haven't seen any reliable documentation to support the claim, so for me, myth is a correct word to use.
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07-19-2009, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Stratherrick Maybe I'll write to the Scottish military to find out the sense and sensibilities of it all.
Cheers
Bruce | It would be an interesting one. Usually anything with extra ornamentation has a military connection. Civilian dress is a bit plainer.
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07-19-2009, 02:56 PM
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This seems like as good a place as any other to post this.
Footwear
At what level of formal dress does one wear ghillie brogues vs ordinary dress shoes vs buckle brogues?
My assumption is:
casual (tee shirt and kilt) - whatever
business casual (collar shirt and kilt) - brushed leather dress shoes
semi-formal (dress shirt, argyle jacket, and kilt) - smooth leather dress shoes / brogues
formal (formal shirt, prince charlie coatee, and kilt) - ghillie brogues
most formal (jabot, montrose doublet, and kilt) - buckle brogues
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07-19-2009, 02:59 PM
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Hi Todd,
Sorry about that, misunderstood completely.
There has been a long tradition of diced hat bands in the UK (Fire, Police, Ambulance). Fire had red/white; Ambulance had green/white and the Police had either Black/white or Blue/white. Fire and Ambulance personnel tend to wear different types of head gear now, so the diced band has migrated down onto the HiVis jacket. The police are now the only ones to still wear the diced hat band.
Regards Chas
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07-19-2009, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Draelore This seems like as good a place as any other to post this.
Footwear
At what level of formal dress does one wear ghillie brogues vs ordinary dress shoes vs buckle brogues?
My assumption is:
casual (tee shirt and kilt) - whatever
business casual (collar shirt and kilt) - brushed leather dress shoes
semi-formal (dress shirt, argyle jacket, and kilt) - smooth leather dress shoes / brogues
formal (formal shirt, prince charlie coatee, and kilt) - ghillie brogues
most formal (jabot, montrose doublet, and kilt) - buckle brogues | I'd say you've got it about right, ghillie brogues can be worn in the business, or even semi-formal situations as well as formal, as well the buckle brogues can be worn for formal (Black Tie) or formal (White Tie). However what you have above is good.
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07-19-2009, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by McMurdo I'd say you've got it about right, ghillie brogues can be worn in the business, or even semi-formal situations as well as formal, as well the buckle brogues can be worn for formal (Black Tie) or formal (White Tie). However what you have above is good. | I concur with Glen's assessment
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07-21-2009, 04:19 PM
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Thanks for the looks guys. I've been reffering to them quite a bit as I've been purshasing "non-traditional" items over the last few days to mix and match for several different kilt outfits.
I'm still awaiting my find of a perfect non-tartan tie for my kilts too!
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07-21-2009, 04:26 PM
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Paul perhaps you should start a thread in the Kilt Advise section about the ties. I've got several, some from Lochcarron, others from the House of Edgar. Here is the link for Heritage of Scotland's plain wool ties. http://www.heritageofscotland.com/Ti...32,product.php
I really prefer a plain wool tie when wearing a kilt than a silk, satin or even tartan tie.
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07-21-2009, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by McMurdo Paul perhaps you should start a thread in the Kilt Advise section about the ties. I've got several, some from Lochcarron, others from the House of Edgar. Here is the link for Heritage of Scotland's plain wool ties. http://www.heritageofscotland.com/Ti...32,product.php
I really prefer a plain wool tie when wearing a kilt than a silk, satin or even tartan tie. | Thanks for the link. One of the colours is really nice and I think I'll go for it so cheers 
I'm looking for a 3-tone tie for my other kilt which will be hard to find... very hard as it is proving! I probably wont be wearing the kilt as formalwear for a while though
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Many thanks for the photos. What more can I say to both of you, other than magnificent!
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