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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ashton View Post

    Well, I guess there is a bright side. At least this time we weren't called "The Kilt Cops".
    Believe it or not, I actually enjoy the Kilt Cops' opinions.

    Internet forums are great for getting the full spectrum of opinions on subjects. And as a Canadian, I recognize that my "new world opinion" on kilt rules will most undoubtedly be more liberal than those who are still in Scotland.

    I appreciate their old school perspective on what they believe one should and should not do with a kilt.

    I think they should be free to give their advice.

    It's my job to decide what I do with it.

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  3. #12
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    I don't think there is any need to leave. There are many different viewpoints and some are certainly held more voraciously than others. Some may even seem dogmatic. You seem to know where these varied voices come from and being able to filter them through that lens is a valuable tool. Even within dogma there can be knowledge to be found. Be objective. Listen to all and consider their views and decide for yourself how to separate wheat from the chaff.

    The important thing is to remember that the folks here are a sampling of the population and don't necessarily reflect the majority of the people they may purport to represent. Those who agree tend to stick together and reinforce one another. Happens here, at work, social circles and other internet forums. In my own life there are people whos opinions effect me and those who do not. I know who is who. If they have reasons for their views it may help me understand and temper my own, or it may not.

    Some will see your post as informative, others as inflammatory and a slew of folks as somewhere in between. Some will think you are pointing a finger at them though you are not and some you are talking about will likely not recognise themselves.

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    It is not my job to invite or un-invite anyone to be a member here.
    Any member may come and go as they see fit. If someone finds a welcoming place to discuss kilts they may do so. If they feel that this is not the place for them, they are free to stop logging on.

    My job is to provide a safe and welcoming place for those with a like interest to come together and share that interest.

    Our published forum rules act only as the white lines on the side of the road. They give the limits of behavior that we accept. As long as a member stays within the white line limits of the rules they are welcome here.

    Only when the behavior veers outside of the limits of the rules do I need to act to protect the forum.

    I take claims of inappropriate behavior very seriously. But vague innuendo does nothing to help solve a perceived slight or offense. If any member feels that they have been treated in a manner that is outside of the rules we have an open door policy that allows them to seek redress. A simple click on the "Raise a Flag" button at the bottom of every post gets my attention at once.

    Posting that someone feels that the forum is controlled by some form of "elitists" group just raises my ire in defense of the community that the members here have built.
    Steve Ashton
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    Thanks for your feedback ... I'm also a newbie and have found this site to be very valuable to me. I honestly didn't think, "which group do I belong to?" or "I'm so offended." I'm not offended by your post and am not trying to peg myself into any particular group.

    Feedback can be a very important and helpful tool and as a teacher, I'm always interested in feedback from my students and administrators. Perhaps there's something there that can make me a more effective teacher if I have an open mind.

    Happy kilting,
    Jonathan


    Quote Originally Posted by EdinSteve View Post
    I have very much enjoyed my short time here and particularly reading all the “back issues” of old threads, many of which are fascinating. And reading through all of these old threads gives a revealing insight into the development and structure of this site as it exists today.
    Now we have a small coterie of long-standing contributors who all actively share their opinions and who, without exception, are immune to anything except their particular views. Then we have a more erudite group who combine kilt-wearing with study of published data and, for this group their dogma is written down and immutable. Finally we have new members, some of whom have previous kilt-wearing knowledge and others who come simply seeking knowledge and, more importantly, encouragement.
    Those with existing knowledge appear to meet a degree of resentment, as if their views have no value compared to those who hold the keys to all kilt-wearing wisdom, particularly when these have a “highland” cachet attached to them as if the “highlands” exists as some fabled nirvana where all kilt wisdom resides and where no dissent is allowed. Then we have new members who, provided they do not overstep the accepted norms of highland dress are quietly indulged and most of whom disappear after a short time when it becomes apparent that any contributions they may have the temerity to make are quickly disparaged by the “establishment” jealous of their position as the arbiters of all that is “correct”.
    There. We have a newcomer’s impression of this site as it exists today. A site that, at one time, seemed to have much interesting discussion but which now seems to exist mainly on “Aye” votes from people who really can’t be bothered any more or, perhaps, have realised that any contribution is treated as an attack on orthodoxy and, as a result go elsewhere.

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    Advice is asked for, sometimes particularly from a Highland Scots perspective, most times probably not and advice is volunteered with the best of intentions, sometimes based on experience sometimes not, sometimes its relevant and sometimes it isn't, sometimes its very useful and sometimes it isn't, sometimes its accurate and sometimes not, sometimes the advice is even humorous and sometimes its not.

    Whichever it is, the people reading it are the ones who will form their own opinion on the advice given and act on it, or perhaps not. Its no big deal either way and there are ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable and it is something this website justly specialises in.

    In my book, that is how a website should be, with several thousand active members all with their own particular point of view. No one is being forced to write or read a word, no one has to agree with what is written here and if someone really is that unhappy here then, they can always bow out gracefully. Which would be a shame, but thats life.
    Last edited by Jock Scot; 22nd January 19 at 02:28 PM.
    " Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.

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    As in any forum, some strongly-held views may come across as self-opinionated or dogmatic. The thing I have found valuable about X-marks is that opposing opinions are being aired, and can be compared. For example, I have been very interested in the debate between those who think the kilt should be worn only for special occasions, and those who feel it is suitable in the most informal contexts. On a more trivial level, different views have been expressed on whether white socks [or should I say "hose"] are acceptable. It's encouraging to know that such a wide diversity of opinions exist, and I feel that gives me greater confidence when making up my own mind.

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    It is encouraging to see a reasoned discussion which is what a forum like this should be all about. Nobody should expect everyone to agree and a frank exchange of views must be a healthy sign, particularly to appreciate that such views exist and may have some relevance, even if they don’t accord with our own.

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    Edinsteve,
    I would say that your comments and opinions are very welcome here, and new members help keep this community from stagnation. When I joined this forum, my real knowledge of kilts and kilt wearing could have been printed on my thumbnail - in easy to read large print! Here in cyberspace, many people feel empowered to make comments they would never say to anyone in person. So I would say, listen to all, and keep your own council. And enjoy your kilt(s)!
    Geoff Withnell

    "My comrades, they did never yield, for courage knows no bounds."
    No longer subject to reveille US Marine.

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    Steve,

    I have enjoyed your comments. I like that you speak your mind freely, often with a bit of dry humor. Some I agree with, some not, but that's OK. I respect all your comments and of course it is always good to hear views from those in Scotland with long experience with the kilt. That doesn't mean such views are "gospel" or take priority over other views. But those with the most experience are likely to have insights that the rest of us could learn from. And since this whole community is built on interest firstly in the kilt and secondly in Scottish culture and heritage generally, your contribution is both welcome and helpful.

    So I would encourage you to keep on posting. It seems that many members here are interested in your perspective and it seems that you have views you'd like to share.

    Andrew

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    An interesting discussion. I think Jock (post #15) has it exactly correct. Advice and/or comment is offered here, usually based on the experience of the poster; it is entirely up to the reader, whether the OP or not, whether to follow the thread, accept, reject or adapt what is offered in their own kilt wearing experience. There is no compulsion to agree with everything posted.

    The Mods and Steve make great efforts to maintain the decorum for which this site is well known - thankfully, their intervention remains the exception.

    As with many members who have been visiting for a few years, I've learned a lot and also recognised the contributors with whom I most closely align. Others will have an entirely different set - diversity of opinion is good. So long as we all retain a degree of politeness and civility in our contributions, we will be just fine.
    Regards, Sav.

    "The Sun Never Sets on X-Marks!"

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