Jackets?

[knotty]

I was lookin at the ScotWeb jackets today.
Iv always liked tweed jackets & was thinkin a green tweed would go with any of my kilts.
What is the difference between the Argyle, Braemar & Crail jackets?. I can see that theyre made slightly different. Are they all suitable for everyday wear, similar to sport coat with jeans or dress slacks? Is there a grade of formality between the 3?
Whats the feeling on green tweed?

sanx
Craig

[paulhenry]

different makers use the same names for different styles, so it's not always easy to compare by just using a name, it's better to go with pictures. Having said that any of them would serve very well as a day jacket in a tweed in any colour!

[BCAC]

Craig,

The only things that change are the sleeves. This has been discussed before, with diagrams and photos.

Use the search feature (that's what it's there for!)

[Peter Crowe]

different makers use the same names for different styles, so it's not always easy to compare by just using a name, it's better to go with pictures. Having said that any of them would serve very well as a day jacket in a tweed in any colour!

I'd agree with what Paul said above, a fuller discussion on colour was here:

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...ml#post1045572

[davidg]

Green tweed is fine. The different styles are just really variations on a theme and there is no consistency between names. In other words, one dealer's Braemar is another's Argyll

The main difference is in the style of the cuff. Either 3 buttons (like a PC) or a gauntlet cuff or a single button on the cuff. If you purchase by mail order then make sure you see a picture of the cuff before buying otherwise you may not get exactly what you expect

If we are talking black barathea jackets then as long as they all have silvered buttons they are the same in formality. Black or stag horn buttons are slightly less formal styles. Tweed jackets on the other hand usually have stag horn buttons and are usually considered day wear. Tweed jackets can be the equivalent of a sports jacket or the equivalent of a suit, depending on how you accessorise

[MacLowlife]

Knotty,

Many makers produce jackets with buttons on those little cotter pins, so that you can swap them out. You might inquire if the jacket you are considering comes that way or can be made that way for just a little more. Opinions vary on the appropriateness of metal buttons on tweeds, but the option to put them on is nice if you like the look. Leather knot buttons, sometimes called "football" buttons, are nice and ought to be simple to switch.

I think that you are better off stretching a jacket upwards in formality than trying to stretch it downwards. If you were to put those metal buttons on a day jacket and add the appropriate accessories, you might be able to wear it to more formal events, especially if the tweed is a darker one.

If you are having trouble finding definitions, try the STM website, but be assured, as advised above, one man's Crail is another man's Argyll.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Here is the article MacLowlife is referring to, which explains the difference in the styles:
http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/which_jacket.htm

[McMurdo]

Here is a thread I started some time ago discussing Kilt Jackets and Formality, that may be of some interest.

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...rmality-48791/

[OC Richard]

Here is the article MacLowlife is referring to, which explains the difference in the styles:
http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/which_jacket.htm

Yes that has a diagram of three different cuff styles (gauntlet, slash, and plain) with three different names (Argyll, Braemar, and Crail) but be forewarned that the various makers are not in agreement with what names refer to what styles.

House of Edgar, for example, calls their jacket with gauntlet cuffs "Braemar" and at least one maker calls the same thing "Craill".

Kilt jackets in check tweed, plain tweed, black Barathea, and coloured Barathea are all available with any of the three cuff styles and it's simply a matter of personal preference.

[RockyR]

And remember... it's not just the sleeves that you can change on a tweed jacket...

Pockets - Scalloped or flat
Epaulettes - Flat cloth, Braided or None
Jacket front - 3 Button, 2 Button, 1 Button
Which kind of button - Imitation stag, Chrome Square, Antiqued Square, Harp Round, Black plain, etc
Lastly, which tweed... some places have a few options, others have a few dozen.

Some places give you more choices for the details of the jacket than others.


One small bit of advice: If you think you're going to eventually want the matching tweed 5 button vest, buy it WITH the jacket to avoid issues with color matching down the road. Tweeds vary from maker to maker and even from batch to batch (if it's not a limited batch never to be made again). Trying to match a tweed a year or more after it's been made into a jacket is a VERY difficult if not impossible task.