Lest We Forget...

[pdcorlis]

[Riverkilt]

NEVER

A good day to kilt up in my Macdonald of Kingsburgh.

Ron

[MACKAY]

I always have mixed feelings about Culloden.

The Mackay Clan was a Loyalist Clan in 1745. And the French ship that carried the gold that was to finance the Jacobite '45 rebellion, ended up in the hands of the Mackay's in the Kyle of Tounge, who promptly turned the booty over to the King - thus effectively making the Prince impotent from a financial standpoint, and unable to bribe influential Nobels and Clan Chiefs, let alone pay for arms and food for his army.

Effectively the Mackay's doomed the rebellion. Of course less than 100 years later they paid the ultimate price for their loyalty to the crown - betrayal. It is said that of all of the clans of Scotland who suffered under the heavy hand of the English, no clan suffered more than the Mackay's during the 'Clearances'.

Either way - I personally am Pro Independent Scotland. I even joined the SNP!

[BEEDEE]

We may have lost the battle but look what we Scots won in later years. The influence of Scots on science, technology and literature coupled with their influence in all the lands to which they dispersed is inestimable. So effectivly, we won the war!


Brian

[Kiltedmusiclover]

Well there were as many Scots on the loyalist side as fought for
the Bonnie Prince.
Something that is often forgotten.

Having been to Culloden, I can say that the Bonnie Prince
had to have been one of the worst military leaders around.
Picking to fight at Culloden was HUGE mistake.
It benefited the loyalist side in almost every way possible.
If he had just let them come to him on the right terrain, we might
be celebrating a different outcome.
IF they could have gotten enough food to keep the Scots together.

[highlander_Daz]

The Stuart had already gained an Independant Scotland, his thirst for the English throne as well as Scotlands was his downfall. Stuart change dthe face of Scottish History with his defeat at Culloden came the decimation of the clan system, a man truly only fit to adorn Biscuit tins on the Royal mile! If Wallace can still be guilty of Treason the Cumberland should have stood trial as a war criminal. anyway whats done is done,

[bubba]

As I recall, it wasn't the English that were responsible for the Clearances, but the Scottish nobility, clan chiefs and landlords who wanted the land for more profitable enterprises.

[highlander_Daz]

Nor was it battle between the English and Scots, . Stuart started the ball rolling. should have stayed in Italy -he was on Scottish soil for 14 months! 14 months too long

[pdcorlis]

Regardless of your feelings about the Bonnie Prince - countless brave clansmen lost their lives on that day at Culloden Moor - and that is worth remembering respectfully.

[bubba]

pd, yup, the clansmen paid the price for others ambitions.