Proabably stepping in it....but...

**KiltedBishop** · 2nd October 05, 10:21 PM

I hope I don't ruffle to many feathers on this, but I am curious how many other fellas are with me.

I was glancing at the UK site and low and behold the UK'er of the month is a girl...now I am not sexist, or a chauvenist...but can't we have something of our own? please? Ladies you have many more shoe style than we, filly under things (which are nice

) dresses, skirts, and the list goes on of clothes for women. what do we have? kilts... I guess in mind I wrestle with the idea that if we are convincing people kilts are for men, does it help when women wear them? I am not saying women shouldn't wear what ever they want. I just would like something that is mens clothing, that's all. I remember reading in an interview with Steven V. one time asking about ladies in kilts and he said something to the effect of "strictly for the hombres". oh well I just hope before I get lambasted someone else understands where I am coming from. I mean women can wear mens clothes and really don't get much of a look for it, unless they are trying to pass as a man. Men the other way around...let's not go there. okay I have gone off enough...*puts on blindfold and lights a cigarette* open fire....

**Riverkilt** · 2nd October 05, 10:37 PM

There's more about "Mr. September" in the September UK newsletter. They explain that she plays a straight man on stage and the UK is part of her "drag" outfit in her stage role as a straight man.

Seems fair to me.

Ron

**Ugly Bear** · 3rd October 05, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by Riverkilt

There's more about "Mr. September" in the September UK newsletter. They explain that she plays a straight man on stage and the UK is part of her "drag" outfit in her stage role as a straight man.

Yet UK's own web site and literature state that their kilts are made for men, and they don't tailor them for women (the closest they come to tailoring for women is their "micro-mini" UK). Even if Mr. September is female by biology only, it's still a contradiction.

**Graham** · 3rd October 05, 04:27 AM

I'm with you KiltedBishop, I've said before here that I believe kilts are for men only (with the only exception in Pipe bands, and I'm even a little iffy about that).
for the lassies it's tartan or pleated skirts, long or short, I prefer long.

At Scottish Country Dancing, when a lass mentions her kilt I always correct her.

Here I stand...as Luther said ;)

**jjoseph** · 3rd October 05, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by KiltedBishop

UK'er of the month is a girl...now I am not sexist, or a chauvenist...but can't we have something of our own? please? Ladies you have many more shoe style than we,

Historically in the west, the style of women's "power garments" have emulated men's fashion... be it kerchiefs and neck ties, pants, or even hose (which were originally the province Italian men)... Although I doubt any particular woman adopts kilts in order to emulate men, the trend of women adopting male garments in general will continue as long as the perception that men have a socially advantageous position, priviledge or power continues. Combine that with the blurring of gender roles (provider, protecter, wage earner, nurturer) that is occuring in both sexes and I imagine we'll be seeing both more men and more women in kilts... Just look at highland dancers.... Fifty years ago, tartan dresses were de rigueur. Now a kilt is REQUIRED for the ladies.

Que sera sera?

**arrogcow** · 3rd October 05, 07:45 AM

I have to agree that I'm not thrilled by women wearing kilts (of any kind). I feel it makes it harder for me to explain that I am wearing mens clothing.

Now having said that, two weeks ago, I was selling UK's at a Celtic festival. Included, for some reason, was a 14" micro mini. I spent all day trying to get women to try it on (never succeded).

Adam

**Alan H** · 3rd October 05, 08:00 AM

You know, I've nver actually seen a woman in a kilt. Then again, I've not seen, outside of our recent X Marks gathering and the Highland Games, more than two other guys in kilts on the street at all. Certainly I've never spotted a woman in a kilt.

Did you know that the pleated wraparound skirts that girls/women wear for playing field hockey in are called "kilts"? If you search ebay for "tartan kilt" you will discover that half the listings are for kilt skirts and whatnot for women, rather than men.

I think the battle for the term "kilt" as applying ONLY for men, is lost already. So I suppose I'd opt for making it clear that kilts are PRIMARILY for men, and consider it good.

**KiltedBishop** · 3rd October 05, 08:27 AM

I know we can't win...we can never win against the women. LOL

Everyone made good points, and I am glad to know I am not the only one. It's not even the term so much as the notion. oh well...thanks for letting me vent...

*steps off soap box* Next...

**davedove** · 3rd October 05, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Alan H

I think the battle for the term "kilt" as applying ONLY for men, is lost already. So I suppose I'd opt for making it clear that kilts are PRIMARILY for men, and consider it good.

You're probably right Alan. Instead, we should just focus on kilts being acceptable everyday wear for men. Marketing wise, we would probably end up with men's kilts and women's kilts, just as we have with jeans and such.

**Archangel** · 3rd October 05, 11:55 AM

just to throw more gasoline on the fire....

it's like a t-shirt, doesn't matter that it's not designed specifically for male/female, Pamela makes a t-shirt feminine, Arnold makes it masculine.

Saw a guy in the whole highland regalia, feathers and all, some kind of chief, really. Looked like the wicked witch done up, sorry. Not masculine at all, Miss Marple looked more he-man.

Women in kilts don't bother me in the slightest, although they can be a distraction. That's a different problem, and mine, not theirs.