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13th October 19, 08:05 AM
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If I may proffer a suggestion, if you are in any doubt, I am confident the combined Rabble would be more than willing to offer constructive critique (and there is huge difference from criticism!) on any photo of your proposed ensemble.
Dduw Bendithia pob Celtiaid
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13th October 19, 08:39 AM
#22
Originally Posted by Blaidd
If I may proffer a suggestion, if you are in any doubt, I am confident the combined Rabble would be more than willing to offer constructive critique (and there is huge difference from criticism!) on any photo of your proposed ensemble.
Well when I finally end up with a full outfit I will gladly put up a few pics for people to give opinions on. I still need to find shoes/boots and a few shirts to fill out my outfits. Possibly a waistcoat or two as well.
I am not one to take criticism personally if it truly is constructive and not just a bashing. I value honest, open ideas because they can give me view points that I never considered before. Especially when it comes to areas that I have little knowledge or am on the upward portion of the learning curve. (Which is almost always for me since I know I can always learn more)
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13th October 19, 07:27 PM
#23
Originally Posted by Tobus
You'll get pointers and tips from people (including me, most likely) based on their interpretation of what falls within the norms or traditions of the Highlands, and then you'll get conflicting advice from others based on their own interpretations of the same traditions. As Jock Scot pointed out, people will often post photos or portraits showing that someone, somewhere, wore things a certain way, to justify their interpretation.
A word of caution regarding historical photos, sometimes they don't represent the entire truth or context. Speaking as a reenactor, we usually do in depth research to ensure historical accuracy. If someone is using uniforms or equipment that is out of regulation or norm, they must provide sufficient evidence to support their kit. Ie- using captured equipment or packs that were not first produced until a month before a war ends. When challenged, the rule of thumb is minimum of 3 photos, of different people in the field to confirm.
The problem comes with staged studio portraits. While many are of real people wearing their own clothes, many more are people playing dress up, like they would at a wild west tourist trap. Soldiers were known to use guns, swords, or entire uniforms owned by photography studios for portraits to send home, none of which was actually used by the individual. Although I am fairly certain any photos of the royal family are legitimate material, they would definitely have their own clothes and accoutrements for their portraits.
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14th October 19, 04:19 AM
#24
Originally Posted by KnittedReenactor
A word of caution regarding historical photos, sometimes they don't represent the entire truth or context.
The problem comes with staged studio portraits. While many are of real people wearing their own clothes, many more are people playing dress up...
Yes with Highland Dress the first step is to weed out the play-dress-up photos. Generally they're obvious, not only from the items of dress and how they're being worn but also from the body-language of the posers. Another clue is the location of the studio.
The play-dress-up photos usually involve Highland military uniform, and the posers are typically non-Scots soldiers in Scotland on holiday/leave. It's fun to examine these photos and see just how many different units the items come from, and how many ways things can be worn wrongly.
That aside, while a single photo doesn't reveal the sitter's entire life, and what sort of clothing he might wear at other times, it does record what he was wearing at that moment. Many people tend to forget that.
I'm examining Victorian photos of men in Highland Dress to study Victorian Highland Dress. People will protest saying that those people wouldn't dress like that when, say, working in the field. Such statements are probably true, but irrelevant to my line of study.
I used to be a re-enactor, and I studied hundreds of old photos. The story they told was rather different than the story the military regulations told. I'll follow the photographic evidence, even if documents tell me that what I see couldn't have existed.
Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte
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14th October 19, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
Yes with Highland Dress the first step is to weed out the play-dress-up photos. Generally they're obvious, not only from the items of dress and how they're being worn but also from the body-language of the posers.
They may be obvious to those who have an understanding of period dress, but I think the biggest problem we've seen here is that they're not obvious to the uninitiated. This has led to many a misunderstanding of Highland dress.
For those of you who are relatively new to the forum, or new to the kilt, it's worth spending some time looking through OC Richard's posts over the years and seeing how he evaluates and explains old photos. From military uniforms to piper outfits to civilian dress, he has done an excellent job of documenting what's believable and what's not.
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