Goal to get a grant of COA

[creagdhubh]

Regardless of the origin of the arms, once they are recognized by a competent authority, and duly registered with them, they are -- at least in the jurisdiction of the registration-- valid.

Agreed.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

only the addition of the feather is relegated to Scottish arms??

Who may, or may not, wear a feather is at the discretion of a clan chief. Generally speaking most chiefs do not object to armigerous clan folk displaying a feather as part of their cap badge, provided they limit themselves to a single feather unless entitled to two feathers as a chieftain, feudal baron, or in some instances, by virtue of holding a specific clan office.

[creagdhubh]

Who may, or may not, wear a feather is at the discretion of a clan chief. Generally speaking most chiefs do not object to armigerous clan folk displaying a feather as part of their cap badge, provided they limit themselves to a single feather unless entitled to two feathers as a chieftain, feudal baron, or in some instances, by virtue of holding a specific clan office.

This is precisely the case within the Clan Macpherson Association and in accordance with our Chief, Cluny-Macpherson.

Cheers,

[Mike_Oettle]

SlackerDrummer wrote:

Translation: As a former car salesman, I would suggest that getting your car serviced at the dealership would be preferable, but the choice is ultimately up to the individual.

Yes, that is the long and the short of it (not to mention very funnily put!).
Heraldic authorities deal with a vast number of armorial devices, and so are better able to judge the suitability of an applicant’s proposal, as well as how to slot it in with others like it.
Regards,
Mike

[WVHighlander]

This has been a fantastic discussion....I hope Dram et al think so as well.

I just did the math conversion on grants. South Africa's BUREAU OF HERALDRY cost of CoA with supporters and special compartment is $1020 USD. Which isn't bad at all.....

[Dram]

This has been a fantastic discussion....I hope Dram et al think so as well.

I just did the math conversion on grants. South Africa's BUREAU OF HERALDRY cost of CoA with supporters and special compartment is $1020 USD. Which isn't bad at all.....

I agree completely, very insightful thread.

One thing I might add, is that when I was researching a Coat of Arms from SA they were no longer offering supporters. You may want to double check in case that is something that would weigh in your decision making.

Then again, I don't think the other bodies offer them either except in rare circumstances.

[WVHighlander]

Dram what did you receive for a price for just a shield and crest?? Also did the shield and crest come with a motto? I didn't see that on their schedule of tariffs.

[Dram]

Dram what did you receive for a price for just a shield and crest?? Also did the shield and crest come with a motto? I didn't see that on their schedule of tariffs.

Sorry WV I don't recall what I was quoted, I do think they included a motto however.

It is possible that they have again begun to "issue" supporters, but this was just not the case when I enquired.

I think the Chief Herald if you will, is Marcel? He has a title but I don't think I'm doing it any justice. He was very insightful and very nice, you may want to get a hold of him...I apoligize that I don't have his info handy.

[SlackerDrummer]

I would discourage the use of supporters. In most (not all, but most) countries, supporters denote nobility. Those who understand the language of heraldry will see the use of supporters by non-nobles as pretentious.

[Dram]

I would discourage the use of supporters. In most (not all, but most) countries, supporters denote nobility. Those who understand the language of heraldry will see the use of supporters by non-nobles as pretentious.

I agree. I thought they were also exclusive to those who's lineage have a proven history involved in battle? Supporters are earned so to speak?