Tartan jackets/coats pre1800

**figheadair** · 7th July 15, 02:09 PM

Lord John Drummond c1745

Lord George Murray c1745

5th Earl of Wymess (1699-1756) c.1715

Sir Archibald Grant of Monymusk

**Nathan** · 8th July 15, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by figheadair

Lord John Drummond c1745

Lord George Murray c1745

5th Earl of Wymess (1699-1756) c.1715

Sir Archibald Grant of Monymusk

Wymess and Monymusk just scream rental in their white hose. ;)

Just kidding. Great pictures Peter!

**The Q** · 8th July 15, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Nathan

Wymess and Monymusk just scream rental in their white hose. ;)

Just kidding. Great pictures Peter!

Think in those days they by wearing white were showing they could afford to have white clothing and have the staff to keep it clean.

Tying a few threads together, It shows how the long jacket and stockings could be mistaken for kilt if it were a line drawing (Shakespear thread).
It also shows that except for the fact the Gentleman were wearing tartan , the style of long stockings and jacket had changed little in the previous 200 years (Wolf Hall tread).
Many of the kilted Gentlemens' Jackets were long and square at the openings not short and curved as would expect today, although open over many layers of coat /waistcoat. However wide enough to display a sporran or Dirk .(many threads)

Also
The dirk was often worn where a sporran would be worn.
many styles of kilt e.g.
Lord George Murray appears to be small pleats all round
Alasdair Ruadh MacDonell appears to have a wide Box pleat in centre front with smaller box pleats for the rest of the kilt.
and hose ties / flashes were often worn exposed.

Keep up the pictures please this is proving very interesting.

**figheadair** · 8th July 15, 11:46 PM

One of a group of figues in a wall painting discovered at Loevestein Castle which was very close to where Lord George Murray settled after Culloden.

**figheadair** · 9th July 15, 05:48 AM

Said to be 'Prince Charles Edward's' outfit but in reality it probably belonged to a prominent Jacobite. This is one I've been trying to track down. It used to be on display in the old United Services Museum (Edinburgh Castle) but is no longer on display and so must be languishing in store somewhere. Note the similarity of the jacket style with that of the Culloden Coat.

**IsaacW** · 9th July 15, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by figheadair

Said to be 'Prince Charles Edward's' outfit but in reality it probably belonged to a prominent Jacobite. This is one I've been trying to track down. It used to be on display in the old United Services Museum (Edinburgh Castle) but is no longer on display and so must be languishing in store somewhere. Note the similarity of the jacket style with that of the Culloden Coat.

Jacket and trews... all I can say is WOW!!!

I love this!!

**figheadair** · 9th July 15, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by IsaacW

Jacket and trews... all I can say is WOW!!!

I love this!!

That's probably how the 'Culloden Coat' and the other one I found were worn. They are narrowly cut and cover the hips so ideal for wearing with trews and for use when riding.

**Alan H** · 9th July 15, 12:19 PM

Fascinating.....kilts that are pleated all around, or just in front.

Many of these are of M'Lord somebody or other, but not all. I'm interested to see the paintings that are of people who are NOT nobility.

They're much more rare, of course.

**figheadair** · 9th July 15, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Alan H

Fascinating.....kilts that are pleated all around, or just in front.

Many of these are of M'Lord somebody or other, but not all. I'm interested to see the paintings that are of people who are NOT nobility.

They're much more rare, of course.

Yes, feileadh beag(s) pleated all around; in all probability down via a draw-string.

Common people couldn't afford to have a portrait painted and this period was before the romantic period so not many artists would have wasted expensive canvas and paint on something that wouldn't sell.

**Alan H** · 9th July 15, 12:42 PM

Detail of a painting from 1780 by David Allan I believe....though I expect he is depicting a scene in the past.

I'm not sure what to think about this....I wish it were larger.

Another detail from the David Allan painting of 1780 .....I don't know whether this is true or not, but I would *guess* that he is trying to depict a scene in the past. However, I came across a painting by him, dated around 1780 of a Campbell lord and his family, so maybe not?