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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickHughes123 View Post
    Allan Thomson

    Where are you getting all of this? This doesn't seem to be true history. Northumbria only ever stretched as far as the South-East of Scotland. Strathclyde, like Pictland, was absorbed directly by Alba.

    Alba took the South-East of Scotland from Northumbria. It has nothing to do with Gaelic extremism.
    He's referring to the Battle of Nectansmere in the 7th century where the Anglians were defeated, but this was a century and a half before the Scots and Picts unified (how ever that happened).

    Northumbria consisted of three regions, Lothian, Bernicia, Deira. All three are thought to represent British Kingdoms that were absorbed by the Angles. The old Welsh poem Y Gododdin represents one of the last attempts by the Gododdin tribe to turn back Anglian encroachment. Based somewhere in Lothian, perhaps Edinburgh, this British army marched south to reclaim land - I think in Deira. They were defeated and the Anglians eventually took Lothian itself and added it to Northumbria.

    Later the Scots took the northern third of the Kingdom which was Lothian and the northern part of Bernicia to the Tweed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neloon View Post
    Not sure that peer-reviewed articles end the debate about Q- versus P-.
    Dr. Ewan Campbell suggested that Q-Celts were in Scotland prior to any Irish in-migration and that some Picts may have spoken Q-Celtic
    https://www.electricscotland.com/his...scotsirish.htm
    (originally published in Antiquity 75)
    Bridget Brennan, on the other hand, disputes his analysis
    http://www.academia.edu/7174193/A_cr...e_Scots_Irish_

    Alan
    Further to this I was watching a documentry on Roman Britain & another hypothesis for the appearance of Gaelic in Galloway was that mercenaries could have been employed from Ireland either towards the end of the Roman period or after the end of the Roman occupation in a similar way to the Saxons. So possibly another source for the appearance of Gaelic in Lowland areas - payment would have most likely in land and therefore this could have lead to the introduction of Gaelic placenames even though the language of the majority of Scotland at that point would definitely have been a Brythonnic possibly with element of Latin influences remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidlpope View Post
    Thanks for those links! The third link is a fascinating article about Scots Gaelic in the Cape Fear River Valley beginning in 1739 and as you say waning following the ACW.

    (The first two links BTW are about the English West Country accent in the Outer Banks, one of the oddest accents I've heard.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by neloon View Post
    Not sure that peer-reviewed articles end the debate about Q- versus P-.
    Yes no matter what the topic, once you delve into the published articles of intrenched professors in the field you find the same thing: at least two camps which derive opposite conclusions from the same material, each camp lead by one or more academics, each professor supported by a number of grad student sycophants, the two camps often indulging in childish mudslinging at each other within the pages of these respectable academic journals.

    The level of debate often gets lower rather than higher as you ascend the ladder.
    Last edited by OC Richard; 1st December 18 at 06:22 AM.
    Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post

    (The first two links BTW are about the English West Country accent in the Outer Banks, one of the oddest accents I've heard.)
    Correct. I was making the point that the dialect of the Outer Banks is not derived from Scots Gaelic.

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