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4th December 18, 08:29 PM
#11
Originally Posted by Tarheel
I have the same habit of putting my soprran strap through the two loops closest to my sides. I ignore the rear and front loops for the strap.
The tab straps on the side were originally intended for kilt hanging. The rear loops probably came about with the one-size-fits-all demands of the for-hire trade because a kilt really doesn't need a belt if it has been properly fitted, but can you tell us a bit more about the 'front loops'?
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5th December 18, 04:46 AM
#12
Originally Posted by ThistleDown
but can you tell us a bit more about the 'front loops'?
I see now that the word front was not a proper choice. There is one loop in the rear of my kilt, There are two loops on side and two more just in front of those but not quite to the apron. Those loops fall just in front of my ilium or hip bone.
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5th December 18, 06:16 AM
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All my kilts have come with loops and the oldest is over 60 years old. I have never used them for the sporran straps because I find it much easier to buckle the strap at the front then swivel it round to the back without it catching on loops. If the strap is a chain on which the sporran cannot slide, then swivelling the sporran round to the side is much easier if the leather ends of the chain do not have to pass through loops.
If I wear a belt it is to hold things other than the kilt so does not need to be very tight and I do usually thread it through the loops as they prevent whatever is hanging off it (pouch, camera, penknife, etc.) disappearing around my back.
If you are going to do it, do it in a kilt!
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5th December 18, 02:16 PM
#14
Originally Posted by tpa
All my kilts have come with loops and the oldest is over 60 years old. I have never used them for the sporran straps because I find it much easier to buckle the strap at the front then swivel it round to the back without it catching on loops. If the strap is a chain on which the sporran cannot slide, then swivelling the sporran round to the side is much easier if the leather ends of the chain do not have to pass through loops.
If I wear a belt it is to hold things other than the kilt so does not need to be very tight and I do usually thread it through the loops as they prevent whatever is hanging off it (pouch, camera, penknife, etc.) disappearing around my back.
I suppose I have worn the kilt for just a wee tad longer than the age of your oldest kilt TPA and within a fairly large kilt wearing family too. I have to confess that until I joined this website I had no idea that there were such things as belt loops on kilts! Suffice to say that the family, past and present, has managed perfectly well without belt loops on the kilt. Each to their own.
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5th December 18, 03:59 PM
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5th December 18, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I suppose I have worn the kilt for just a wee tad longer t han the age of your oldest kilt TPA and within a fairly large kilt wearing family too. I have to confess that until I joined this website I had no idea that there were such things as belt loops on kilts! Suffice to say that the family, past and present, has managed perfectly well without belt loops on the kilt. Each to their own.
I guess you just adjust to what you have grown up with. I assumed all kilts had belt loops until I joined this website!
If you are going to do it, do it in a kilt!
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13th December 18, 01:03 PM
#17
Originally Posted by tpa
All my kilts have come with loops and the oldest is over 60 years old. I have never used them for the sporran straps because I find it much easier to buckle the strap at the front then swivel it round to the back without it catching on loops. If the strap is a chain on which the sporran cannot slide, then swivelling the sporran round to the side is much easier if the leather ends of the chain do not have to pass through loops.
My kilts have all had belt loops that I use for the sporran belt only. My band, like most, uses chain belts, and I found the easiet way to put mine on is to unclip the chain from the sporran on one side (keep the belted part fastened) and pass it through the loops then clip it back into the sporran.
I make sure to unclip one side for putting it on and the other side for taking it off to stop the belt buckle from snagging on the loops.
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16th December 18, 07:30 PM
#18
This is my take on your list...for what it's worth!
Formal Attire (Highland Evening Dress) Checklist
Kilt The kilt is obviously the star of any Highland Dress outfit and I would want a quality-looking one.
Due to the time constraint it will probably be an off-the-peg situation. You might find a nice used kilt in your size on Ebay and get it right away.
Yes belt loops have nothing to do with quality. The tattiest Pakistani kilts have them, while none of my bespoke kilts do.
Jacket Kilt jacket conversions usually look like what they are. Standard black Argyll jackets are widely available new off the peg, ex-hire, used on Ebay, and so forth. All of my kilt jackets (two black Argylls, one Lovat tweed Argyll, one Prince Charlie) were all bought used on Ebay for between $50 and $125 each.
Sporran Yes borrow if you can! High quality made in Scotland Evening Dress sporrans are available for well under $100 regularly on Ebay, if you want to get your own.
Belt why...?
Hose/Flashes Plain/selfcoloured kilt hose are relatively inexpensive. Lochcarron sells the basic sort in several colours. I prefer Cheviot myself, but they're more expensive. For flashes I prefer the fringed Shooting Socks ones.
Sgian Dubh why...?
Shoes Yes any nice plain black shoes would be fine.
Tie Plain black ordinary bow ties are more or less standard.
Waistcoat/Vest Traditionally waistcoats have been standard with Highland Dress. If you have a black Barathea Argyll jacket the waistcoats can be bought separately. Traditionally red, buff, etc waistcoats were often worn with black jackets for Evening Dress.
Shirt I like the stand collar shirt with points for Evening Dress.
Originally Posted by TheGratefulNed
I'm pretty set on going with the Brian Boru for two reasons; my family heritage is ~50% Irish and I personally like the look of the BB more than the PC.
I don't think there's anything "Irish" about the so-called Brian Boru jacket, which I think was called that as a marketing device. But if you like it, why not wear it?
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20th December 18, 02:44 PM
#19
Thanks for the feedback, OC Richard.
As far as why I might wear the belt, I'm probably going to use sporran hangers, since the last time I tried on a sporran chain I was about 25-30 lbs. lighter than I am now and even then it was a bit uncomfortable and underlined my belly in a rather unflattering manner.
I will eventually get a sporran, just trying to keep inside a budget at the moment. So borrowed it is!
Yeah, I know the Brian Boru jacket doesn't have any sort of actual tradition/history to it, though the round silver harp buttons definitely help lend an Irish flavor to it. Also, in my very brief, preliminary, and shallow research into historical Irish fashions over the past month or so, I did see several examples of something that looks an awful lot like a shawl collar in a few ~16th-17th century illustrations, albeit on long, open-chested tunic-like garments (possibly a variation of the léine) over top of a shirt, not true formal jackets. Whether there's any tradition to it or not, I personally like the look of the Brian Boru better than the Prince Charlie. I consider the Irish-inspired tweaks as a bonus.
Speaking of jackets, perhaps the Great Rabble can help me with something that's causing me some confusion. Are UK and US standard jacket sizes the same? Most websites seem to indicate they're the same, but a few put the UK sizes at a bit smaller than the US sizes of the same number. I found some reasonably priced ex-hire Argylls and PCs from two different sellers, one in Scotland and one in England, but I would rather not have to mess around shipping it back to get a different size. I messaged the sellers and they both indicated they're UK sizing. Wondering if a UK 54R will fit the same as my US 54R or if I need to bump it up or down a size or two.
Verbing weirds language.
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20th December 18, 02:51 PM
#20
Originally Posted by TheGratefulNed
Speaking of jackets, perhaps the Great Rabble can help me with something that's causing me some confusion. Are UK and US standard jacket sizes the same? Most websites seem to indicate they're the same, but a few put the UK sizes at a bit smaller than the US sizes of the same number. I found some reasonably priced ex-hire Argylls and PCs from two different sellers, one in Scotland and one in England, but I would rather not have to mess around shipping it back to get a different size. I messaged the sellers and they both indicated they're UK sizing. Wondering if a UK 54R will fit the same as my US 54R or if I need to bump it up or down a size or two.
Most US retailers recommend sizing it up one size when ordering from the UK. This is because while it will technically fit your chest size, it fits more snugly than Americans are used to. The style in the UK is typically for a more snug form-fitting jacket fit, where we Americans tend to wear our jackets loose like potato sacks.
(I prefer to go with UK sizing directly for a more snug fit.)
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