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    RAYON (Viscous)

    FLAME QUALITY
    fast orange flame.

    ODOR
    burning paper or leaves. X

    ASH QUALITY
    almost no ash. X

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    ember will continue to glow after flame source removed X

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    black smoke. X

    Let the (red if I did it properly) X apply to those observed. With regard to glowing globule, I’ll check that later as the sun goes down in my part of the world.
    Last edited by Me cousin Jack; 23rd February 20 at 04:09 PM. Reason: Updated, has glowing ember

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    So, Me Cousin Jack sent me a small chunk of the fabric he had. It looks quite nice, and appears to be this tartan:

    https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/ta...tails?ref=2290

    It feels pretty similar to the P/V kilt I'm wearing right now (from USA Kilts, so it's definitely P/V). I would say it has a similar soft sheen to it - laying it on top of my P/V kilt, it reflects light in exactly the same manner. It does seem to be a larger thread size than the USA Kilts kilt, and measures thicker - folding it so I'm not measuring a hem, and putting the fold within the larger part of calipers so as to get as good of a measurement of 2x thicknesses of fabric, the fabric on my USA Kilts kilt measures about 0.86mm for two thicknesses, whereas this stuff measures about 0.97mm, which seems about appropriate for the size difference in the threads. Passing my fingers over it, it has a similar sound although lower pitched, as would be expected with larger threads. By my count, it looks to be about 25 threads per centimeter. Sett size of about 152mm or pretty well exactly 6". Me Cousin Jack already did burn tests on this. By my uneducated eyes, I'd think this looks an awful lot like P/V, but just heavier. Anyone with more in-depth materials knowledge on this care to chime in? Anything else we could do to confirm this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Me cousin Jack View Post
    RAYON (Viscous)
    The only one I've seen offer Viscous kilts is J Higgins

    https://www.jhiggins.net/j-higgins-v...scous-tartans/

    Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte

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    I just wanted to bring this back up with an update. Looking at this again, House of Tartan now lists their McBean Modern as "Made in the UK":

    https://houseoftartan.co.uk/scottish...ubcatid=170393

    Still no idea what mill it's from, but I found that rather interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganKyle View Post
    I've got a couple tartans I'd love to find in a synthetic, but have so far had no luck:

    https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/ta...tails?ref=2295

    ...and:

    https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/ta...tails?ref=5384

    Are there any mills that make these in a PV or similar material?

    Here’s a follow up question: groups here and elsewhere have banded together to do a custom order—- is that an option at Marton Mills??

    The state of Michigan tartan is pretty rare. I would be interested in having a PV kilt, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbutts View Post
    Here’s a follow up question: groups here and elsewhere have banded together to do a custom order—- is that an option at Marton Mills??

    The state of Michigan tartan is pretty rare. I would be interested in having a PV kilt, too.
    I like the way you think, and I believe it is an option, but I don't know enough of the details (minimum quantity, etc.) to be able to answer for that.

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    As far as I know, Marton Mills are the only weaving mill that offers kilt quality fabrics in a synthetic. Specifically a 65% Polyester/35% Rayon. Their fabrics are 375 grams per linear meter at 150 cm width.

    They do accept custom weave orders and are where I commissioned almost all of my custom weaves.

    Their minimum yardage is 11 meters. (12 meters would be enough for 3 kilts)

    MacBean (MacBain) (MacBaine) (MacBane) is not listed on their current stock Tartan list.
    Michigan is not on their current stock Tartan list.

    So a custom weave appears to be your only option.
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    Swish + Swagger = Swoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wizard of BC View Post
    As far as I know, Marton Mills are the only weaving mill that offers kilt quality fabrics in a synthetic. Specifically a 65% Polyester/35% Rayon. Their fabrics are 375 grams per linear meter at 150 cm width.

    They do accept custom weave orders and are where I commissioned almost all of my custom weaves.

    Their minimum yardage is 11 meters. (12 meters would be enough for 3 kilts)

    MacBean (MacBain) (MacBaine) (MacBane) is not listed on their current stock Tartan list.
    Michigan is not on their current stock Tartan list.

    So a custom weave appears to be your only option.
    I've read about others doing custom weaves with wool, but have never seen anyone commission one in P/V. Without bothering MM with such a preliminary question, in your experience, how does the cost of having a custom weave in P/V typically compare with custom wool weaving?

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    The cost is in the skilled labor to warp the loom, not in the yarn you warp it with.

    For that first 11 meters the cost is exactly the same regardless if you put wool or PV on the loom.

    After a while the cost can come down because the labor costs can be spread out and the cost of the fiber is more of a factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ashton View Post
    The cost is in the skilled labor to warp the loom, not in the yarn you warp it with.

    For that first 11 meters the cost is exactly the same regardless if you put wool or PV on the loom.

    After a while the cost can come down because the labor costs can be spread out and the cost of the fiber is more of a factor.
    That makes good sense.

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