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    why black watch?

    Hi Serial Kilters! i notice that a lot of clans use black watch as the basis for there tartan.(like grant, gordon, campbell, mackenzie, etc) is there a reason to why so many clans use black watch? was it because so many clans served with them? Curious to find out. thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty1059 View Post
    Hi Serial Kilters! i notice that a lot of clans use black watch as the basis for there tartan.(like grant, gordon, campbell, mackenzie, etc) is there a reason to why so many clans use black watch? was it because so many clans served with them? Curious to find out. thanks
    Grant, Campbell and Sutherland are the same as the Black Watch (Government) tartan. Other regiments adopted the Government tartan with the colour of one or more stripes changed. Often, the clans whose chief originally raised a particular regiment adopted that tartan, hence 77th = Murray of Atholl, 92nd = Gordon, 93rd = Sutherland.

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    thanks! varry interesting!
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    In the 18th century quite a few Highland regiments were raised and generally they all wore the "government" tartan which we call Black Watch.

    The military red coats had contrasting lapels and cuffs called "facings" which were a variety of colours (yellow, white, green, blue, buff) and when the Gordon Highlanders were raised and were going to use yellow facings they decided to add a yellow stripe to the government tartan. What's cool in that particular case is that the correspondence has survived: the weaver made samples showing various ways the yellow stripe could be placed.

    Peter would know- have these samples survived? It would be interesting to see what the ones they didn't go with looked like.

    Then there are tartans that at first glance are totally different from Black Watch, but when compared are seen to be Black Watch with a series of colour substitutions (or nearly so) like Fraser:

    http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-tartan-94401/
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    and when the Gordon Highlanders were raised and were going to use yellow facings they decided to add a yellow stripe to the government tartan. What's cool in that particular case is that the correspondence has survived: the weaver made samples showing various ways the yellow stripe could be placed.

    Peter would know- have these samples survived? It would be interesting to see what the ones they didn't go with looked like.
    I'd seen the transcribed correspondence (not sure where the original is) but don't know if any specimens survived. I've read that the request was for the Governemnt tartan varied with one, two and three, yellow stripes. The first is what was adopted and is today the clan tartan, the third is what is known as Gordon of Esslemont. I don't think that the two line version survived contact and was never adopte

    Then there are tartans that at first glance are totally different from Black Watch, but when compared are seen to be Black Watch with a series of colour substitutions (or nearly so) like Fraser:

    http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-tartan-94401/
    The Fraser is not an exact translation in that it only has pairs of three stripes on the open ground, not the usual four. True colour changes included MacNab and MacLachlan.

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