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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinenotburn View Post
    A new band I joined in 1970 had Prince Charlies and this time cable knit white hose.
    That fits with what I've been able to glean, that the heavy "Arran" hose/ghillies/Prince Charlie/Balmoral bonnet look probably began in Canada.

    Those Arran hose, I'm almost positive, would have been "natural" hose, in the unbleached offwhite wool, rather than the bleached artificial gleaming white hose of the 1980s.

    The Canadian look invades Scotland, 1970s.



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    I've been thinking about this one for a bit, I did some digging and found these photos featuring my old pipe instructor who is at the front of the first photo.


    Notice the Regulation Doublet and Argyll hose


    Another member of the band but this photo shows the buckle brogues


    Shows them marching. These are all Pipes and Drums of Toronto circa 1971 so at this point they were still wearing this not the white hose. I have a few more photos to post and will do so later today after work.

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    Great shots there.

    Quote Originally Posted by McMurdo View Post
    I've been thinking about this one for a bit, I did some digging and found these photos featuring my old pipe instructor who is at the front of the first photo.


    Notice the Regulation Doublet and Argyll hose


    Another member of the band but this photo shows the buckle brogues


    Shows them marching. These are all Pipes and Drums of Toronto circa 1971 so at this point they were still wearing this not the white hose. I have a few more photos to post and will do so later today after work.

    They look to be wearing drummers plaids as well. Is that Cabar Feidh, McMurdo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinenotburn View Post
    They look to be wearing drummers plaids as well. Is that Cabar Feidh, McMurdo?
    Yes that’s them. My pipe instructor was Ron Rollo who sadly passed away in 2011. Here is a photo of Ron and I at the Fergus Highland games in I think 2007

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    Here is another photo of the band Thanks to June Rollo for it.



    Front Row. LtoR. Chris Anderson P/M, Jimmy MacPherson, David Adamson, Rudy Schaal, Kenny Gilmour, David Cook, Ron Rollo.
    Back Row. Lto R.
    Andy Miller,(tenor), Tim Orr, (d) Graham Clarke,(d) Jimmy MacLean (d), Jim Orr, George Shand, Andy Herd (bass), ?...still can't think of his name!
    Last edited by McMurdo; 9th July 20 at 03:42 PM.

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    Jackets

    Those are a very interesting cut jacket. Looks like what the Alexander brothers used to wear. I notice they were wearing flaps but no buckles at the time.

    A great band, hard to beat back in those days.

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    Those are different jackets.

    The earlier photos show Regulation Doublets with slash cuffs, worn with bow ties.

    The shot of the whole band shows what appears to be some kind of short jacket, like Battle Dress or Ike, with gauntlet cuffs, and worn with long ties.

    There was a huge yet short-lived craze in the post-WWII era for cropped jackets more or less based on the British Battle Dress jacket or the American copy of it, the "Ike jacket".

    Police, security, truck drivers, postal employees, and civilians all started wearing cropped jackets and it impacted Highland Dress also.

    Several Highland-ish variants appeared, the ones in that band photo are some of them, I'd bet.

    Here are the Alexander Brothers in them! Loads of pipe bands wore them too, in a variety of styles.





    Or they could be coatees, another post-WWII fad, due to the UK Highland regiments adopting coatees in 1953.

    In any case I recently came across this photo of Triumph Street in 1978, early wearers of what was to become the standard Pipe Band dress ever since, the black Argyll & Ghillies look. Notice the leather sporrans were brown, at that time Day sporrans were brown as a matter of course, but soon enough black ones would become popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    Those are different jackets.

    The earlier photos show Regulation Doublets with slash cuffs, worn with bow ties.

    The shot of the whole band shows what appears to be some kind of short jacket, like Battle Dress or Ike, with gauntlet cuffs, and worn with long ties.

    There was a huge yet short-lived craze in the post-WWII era for cropped jackets more or less based on the British Battle Dress jacket or the American copy of it, the "Ike jacket".

    Police, security, truck drivers, postal employees, and civilians all started wearing cropped jackets and it impacted Highland Dress also.

    Several Highland-ish variants appeared, the ones in that band photo are some of them, I'd bet.

    Here are the Alexander Brothers in them! Loads of pipe bands wore them too, in a variety of styles.

    Thread drift, but I've been somewhat curious about trying this style of jacket with the kilt for a while. You may recall a discussion we had about 2 years ago where I found on eBay an odd Ike-style jacket in forest green with gauntlet-style cuffs and square dress-type buttons. It's still for sale, LOL. You had posted a few other examples of pipe bands wearing this style jacket in that thread, and it was indeed popular for a while post-WWII.

    While the photo example you provided is a bit on the comical side with the white hose and dress/dance tartan kilts, I do have to say that I could easily be persuaded to adopt this style jacket. I would want it in a decisively non-military colour (so as not to be confused with reenacting or impersonating military) and would probably forego the epaulets. No fancy cuffs or buttons. Just a straightforward plain-jane Eisenhower jacket, worn either with no belt or a simple belt without any dress buckle adornment.

    This jacket style should rightly be considered a fad or trend that came and went (never becoming a tradition), but I think it's a rather dashing style that could stand a comeback. At the very least, it would be interesting as a modern daywear look with some historical precedent when one is looking to be a bit different but not too different.

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