Kilt Tartan Undershorts

[Steve Ashton]

So, when you say "They never used underwear when on leave, it was against regulations, if caught they would have their leave stopped." - do you have a copy of the regulation that you can post and share with us?

[neloon]

The source of what The Highlanders wore was told to me by a very old Gaelic speaker, he stayed in the hills and wore a kilt.
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"I dreamt it in a dream"!

Alan

[Tomo]

If there is one thing becoming clear in the world today, is that it is always prudent to ask to see the documentation behind broad statements presented as historical fact.

Sometime hard to argue with "faith" beliefs.

On another forum a member asked which was the oldest tartan associated with clan so-and-so (only the names have been changed, yada, yada yada...). The president of clan so-and-so society said this particular tartan was. I replied and simply said that based on the details in the Tartan Registry it was another one (which can be dated to Wilson's 1819 Pattern Book), whereas the one identified by the president of clan so-and-so society is attributed to the Sobieski Bothers and dated 1842 the year largely discredited Vestiarium Scoticum was published. He then responded that:

"Well that would mean that our clan never wore tartan until the Scottish Register of Tartans was created well after the fall of the Clan System?"

and

"My point is the tartan existed long before the Scottish Register of Tartans was created or when the documented registration of the tartan happened. To say otherwise would imply our clan had no tartans prior to the establishment of the register by the British Government."

I'm still struggling with the logic here...

[MacDonald of Glencoe]

So, when you say "They never used underwear when on leave, it was against regulations, if caught they would have their leave stopped." - do you have a copy of the regulation that you can post and share with us?

Noticed now that you have edited your previous arrogant request for sources. Now it can be answered.

https://issuu.com/rhqscots/docs/rros_dress_regulations

The source you requested about their leave being stopped.

Voices in the Wind Caithness at War by Ally Budge
It mentions Robert MacKay charged with being out of uniform
War diaries 5th Battalion Seaforth Highlanders by D Sutherland
It has the same mention of Robert MacKay charged for being out of uniform
John O Groat Journal full story
Highlands Museum Fort George Inverness full story

Robert MacKay from Melness was returning on his first leave from his deployment to France and the trenches.
His wife had made him a certain item that is requiring sources on here for some reason. He couldn't wear them in the trenches as if found out would be out on a charge and have to preform duties as punishment.
He was wearing them in Thurso when he approached his wife, he raised his Kilt to show her what he had on. He was noticed by an Officer also returning on leave, he quickly approached MacKay, inspected his Uniform and put him in a charge for being out of uniform. He had his leave suspended and was detained to appear in Court over it. He was later fined and released and allowed to continue his leave.

[MacDonald of Glencoe]

"I dreamt it in a dream"!

Alan

So Ridicule, you show what you are.
Old Ranald MacDonald was never a dream, he was the opposite,people were frightened of him. When he rarely was best people or in the Village people stayed away from him. The School would get us inside to be was away.
We had found out he was afraid of fireworks, he would hide in a Dutch when they were used. He would start shaking and run away. It was not known then what was wrong with him but now we know what it was.
Shame on you for your ridicule, he had been in a war for you and suffered. Shame on you for your ridicule of his language and knowledge. Shame on you for your resentment and prejudice towards Gaelic and it's culture, Shame on you and those that support you with their aye.
Old Ranald mentioned people like you without the taste of Gaelic, you have the taste of Mi run mor nan Gall and it shows.
Ranald said that Lowland Scots was the ruin of the Highlands, with you be was not wrong. You are a Bigot for your comment towards Gaelic traditions.
The Bard of melbost mentions those like you, Lowland Scots and their English language are a disease and Gaelic sickens.
But as he said so defiantly Yet still we Sing.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Z21pPRe1E

[ThistleDown]

Let's not escalate this thread to the point where it or its posts are flagged.

MacdonaldofGlencoe, the custom on this forum is to validate -- as much is possible -- claims of 'fact'. In aid of that we have some pretty knowledgeable and experienced people on board: talented kilt-makers, noted historians, Gaelic-speakers, anthropologists....

You will understand that there is so very much myth and so many legends pertaining to the kilt, the Highlands and Highlanders, that we wish to contain that as much as possible. The culture of the forum, therefore, is to question. You must not be offended when members ask you to support your statements of fact -- as you know them. Photos and references are valued.