I think I've completed my Smart Daywear outfit.

**FossilHunter** · 4th March 21, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by KennethSime

And here I thought I was quite knowledgable for finally understanding the difference between oxfords and brogues!

Thank you Tobus, I appreciate your compliment and your setting me straight. I assumed they counted as oxfords because the company calls them "Oxford-style," and because they kind of look like the Rockport Oxfords (which I think were also really Derbies) my Dad wore when I was young. I hadn't thought to actually look up the definition!

I've got to make some compromises on account of my wide foot, and some on account of budget. These are probably as nice as I'll go for now, but eventually I'd like to pick up something like these Carets for a dressier option. Perhaps then I'll try again for the "Smart" qualifier. :-)

The problem in the US is that many shoe manufacturers use the term Oxford indiscriminately.

It’s really just means this style of lacing:

As opposed to this (which ironically, the maker calls an Oxford

):

Brogues are any shoe with the decorative holes (brouging) with either lace style. Most brogues that I’ve seen are also wingtips but toe cap shoes can also be brogued.

If you want a shoe that works for fancier dress up to formal, I recommend a pair of black Oxfords, either wingtip brogues or plain captoe. Captoe are nice because they will do double duty with a suit or tux (brogues are considered less formal in Saxon dress). However, black brogues are a classic kilt shoe.

Of course you can own as many shoes as you like. I own and wear both kinds.

**Father Bill** · 4th March 21, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by FossilHunter

Of course you can own as many shoes as you like. I own and wear both.

Fascinating - I wear both of my shoes too - left and right both!

**FossilHunter** · 4th March 21, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Father Bill

Fascinating - I wear both of my shoes too - left and right both!

**plaid preacher** · 5th March 21, 07:55 PM

A very smart look.

Nothing more to be said.

**SF Jeff** · 8th March 21, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by FossilHunter

The problem in the US is that many shoe manufacturers use the term Oxford indiscriminately

Let me fix that for you...

The problem in the US is that many [insert anything here] manufacturers use the term [insert anything here] indiscriminately

Nice looks for both Shane and Ken. Well done.

**SF Jeff** · 8th March 21, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by McMurdo

My last Argyll jacket and waistcoat is a Lovat Green set from William Glen and Sons, they still have them on sale

My first kilt was from Wm. Glen here in SF. It was a bespoke order that was never picked up by the customer, and because it was an uncommon size, it was marked down to $100. Lightweight kilt, 5 yds, probably 11 oz fabric (comparing it to my 13's), Royal Stewart tartan, unknown mill but the fabric is very nice, two buckles, a liner and it fits me perfectly. Don't wear it much anymore but a very nice starter kilt, especially for a hundred bucks.

**OC Richard** · 13th March 21, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by FossilHunter

The problem in the US is that many shoe manufacturers use the term Oxford indiscriminately.

Yes indeed! For those who want to go down that rabbithole, I found this interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAidGZyvwaM&t=222s

It came up because I needed a "punch cap Oxford" for a certain costume, and I didn't know what that was.

**FossilHunter** · 13th March 21, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by OC Richard

Yes indeed! For those who want to go down that rabbithole, I found this interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAidGZyvwaM&t=222s

It came up because I needed a "punch cap Oxford" for a certain costume, and I didn't know what that was.

Gentlemen’s Gazette is a great resource for information about classic menswear.