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    Great Kilt, Little kilt Historical information wanted

    Can anyone provide information about when (time period) the British Army Highland Regiments officially (or otherwise) adopted the little kilt or the more modern kilt we know today, and discarded the great kilt. i opine it was sometime between the Napoleonic and Crimean wars (or earlier?), but this covers about 56 years and i was hoping someone might help me to narrow the period and make this number more manageable. Or correct me if my opinion is in error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
    Can anyone provide information about when (time period) the British Army Highland Regiments officially (or otherwise) adopted the little kilt or the more modern kilt we know today, and discarded the great kilt. i opine it was sometime between the Napoleonic and Crimean wars (or earlier?), but this covers about 56 years and i was hoping someone might help me to narrow the period and make this number more manageable. Or correct me if my opinion is in error.

    Thanks in advance to all who contribute.

    Jacques
    The Feileadh Beag was certainly being worn by the military from the 1760s, possibly earlier, but the Feileadh Mor (Belted Plaid ) continued to be worn until the late 18th century.

    By the 1790s the military had generally adopted a sewn kilt with a Half Plaid being added for parade wear. Whilst Wilsons' 1819 Key Pattern Book included plaid settings for various regiments, these seem to have been anachronistic by that date and there is no evidence of the Belted Plaid being used. Nor is there any evidence of its use during the Napoleonic era or later.

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    Peter,

    There is a lot of confusion over the difference between Feileadh Beag and Feileadh Mor.

    It is not unusual to hear the names as if they were interchangeable names for the same garment.

    Perhaps it would be helpful for you to define the two or describe the difference.
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    Thank you for your input and information.

    i have been reviewing a few more books since my first post and discovered a quote from Sgt James Anton, 42nd RHR, 1815, upon his return to Edinburgh; "It now consists of a yard and one quarter, a useless shred of cloth, like a child's pinafore reversed, and pinned to the back of the shoulder." And also a young Ensign Hackett, 1853, prior to leaving Portsmouth for Crimea; "with the feather bonnets, belted plaids hanging from the left shoulder....they did look very well indeed." i'm not entirely certain is Ensign Hackett is describing the same article as Sgt Anton.

    i guess my interest lies with when the Highland regiments stopped using the great kilt, the +/- 8 yard double width plaid and began exclusively wearing the kilt which appears much as todays modern kilts.

    Thanks much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
    i guess my interest lies with when the Highland regiments stopped using the great kilt, the +/- 8 yard double width plaid and began exclusively wearing the kilt which appears much as todays modern kilts.
    Broadly speaking, c1800. Here's Ensign Bramwell's 92nd uniform made in 1815: sewn 4 yard box pleated kilt with half plaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Broadly speaking, c1800. Here's Ensign Bramwell's 92nd uniform made in 1815: sewn 4 yard box pleated kilt with half plaid.

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    Thank you Peter.

    So there's my missing link i suppose. Great kilt, Kilt with half plaid, and a little kilt of sorts; closer to its modern cousin. i wonder what Sgt Anton was on about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Broadly speaking, c1800. Here's Ensign Bramwell's 92nd uniform made in 1815: sewn 4 yard box pleated kilt with half plaid.

    That is one massive and impressive sporran. More in there, I'd wager, than his handkerchief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Bill View Post
    That is one massive and impressive sporran. More in there, I'd wager, than his handkerchief.
    Actually, it was all about show; form rather than function. The bag itself is relatively modest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ashton View Post
    Peter,

    There is a lot of confusion over the difference between Feileadh Beag and Feileadh Mor.

    It is not unusual to hear the names as if they were interchangeable names for the same garment.

    Perhaps it would be helpful for you to define the two or describe the difference.
    Steve, a good point. The two terms, as you rightly say, often used interchangeably.

    I tend to follow Bob Martin’s definition in referring to the separate lower half of the plaid that was worn loosely pleat, possible with a draw-string and no sewn in pleats as a feileadh beag. Anything that has sewn in pleats, irrespective of the style Bob called a kilt.

    A few early kilts survive but no example of a feileadh beag, nor a complete 18th century feileadh mor does. Given the Proscription restrictions and the fact that both styles were essentially a length of cloth, it is easy to understand how the material could have been recycled and so not survived in an identifiable form.

    We are not helped in our understanding by the historical use of kilt to describe what is assumed to have been a feileadh beag. The Act of Proscription forbade the wearing of, amongst other things, ‘….the plaid, philibeg, or little kilt…’. Nowhere does it refer to the plaid as the belted plaid or feileadh mor, and certainly not the great kilt as some re-enactors call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Actually, it was all about show; form rather than function. The bag itself is relatively modest.

    I rather thought as much, but much appreciated for the photographic evidence, Peter!
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