Black barathea argyle question

[FossilHunter]

I know that a black barathea argyle with chrome buttons is suitable for daywear formal as a highland version of a morning coat. As I understand it it can also be worn with a black self tied bowtie for some black tie events. The problem is that I have always been taught that a black suit should only be worn by undertakers and that it was less aesthetically interesting than other options. I know highland wear and Saxon wear are different, but I can't help feeling this way. I am willing to buy a black argyle if I must, but could a dark navy barathea jacket with metal buttons still be used in the same way? Would it still be suitable for black tie? Even my saxon tuxedo is Midnight Blue instead of black.

The black suit thing doesn’t apply to tuxedos.

Tuxedos should always be black or midnight blue and even true midnight blue is hard to find, many places actually use navy whereas midnight blue is so dark it looks black much of the time. Black jackets are also sometimes found with morning dress, though that mode of dress is exceptionally rare in the US.

For business suits, yes, black is for funerals (not only undertakers but can also be appropriate for close family in mourning) or waiters.

So with that in mind, there is nothing particularly odd about a black argyle worn either as black tie or morning dress.

[FossilHunter]

What about post #7 of this thread.
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...xamples-85511/

There is nothing particularly odd about wearing black with a formal say outfit. We’re just not used to morning dress in the US.

President’s don’t even wear it for inaugurations anymore but did in the recent past.

[Jock Scot]

What is worn to a wedding in the UK is usually guided by one's hosts, usually the Bride's parents. In the case of Prince William's marriage to Kate Middleton, Royal protocols were sympathetically considered and the attire required was , Uniforms, Morning Dress or lounge suits. In the case of the kilted gentleman in the picture, he is perfectly attired in lounge suit equivalent and is dressed perfectly for the event.(not my picture)

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For a more normal very smart wedding in the uk, Morning suits are often quite common, but lounge suits are perfectly common too. Guests entering the reception. Pleny of black to be seen.
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Mrs Jock and me at the same wedding. Me wearing morning coat equivalent in kilt form.
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Normal kilt attire for most weddings. Lounge suit equivalent.
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[OC Richard]

It's true that as it's generally made today the black Barathea Argyll is neither fish nor fowl.

Because a jacket of black Barathea with silver buttons (of whatever cut) would properly have lapels of satin or grosgrain.

And so the black Barathea Argyll did, in traditional Highland Dress, which kept its Day and Evening outfits neatly sorted.



The lapels of modern Kilt Hire Era black Argylls being matching Barathea, the buttons would properly be something other than silver, say, matching black.

[Micrographia]

The lapels of modern Kilt Hire Era black Argylls being matching Barathea, the buttons would properly be something other than silver, say, matching black.

I have a modern cut black barathea kilt jacket (no facings) and waistcoat with black buttons that I picked up at a very reasonable price ex-hire and I treat it as a "lounge suit" equivalent. If it's an occasion where suits are mainly being worn but kilts are appropriate, whether day or evening (or day leading into evening), it won't frighten the horses. It's a useful thing.

EEM