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    Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    I have heard these refered to many times as the beginnings of the clansman buckle and strap in scottish heraldry but I can not seem to find any in existance. Supposedly a chief would give a silver plate medallion that bore his crest to his retainers. This was to be held around the neck by a leather buckle and strap. When it was not in use it was stored flat with the buckle and strap surrounding the crest. Thus was the beginning of the clansman's crest badge.

    Does anyone have any images of such a thing. Below is the only one I have ever seen.


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    Re: Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    Not the same, but similar.



    This is a picture of a Thames lighterman. Notice on his left upper arm is his badge. Obviously not worn as part of his working attire, but rather only on high days and holy days in his Guild uniform.

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    Re: Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    Harold:

    Not sure if it's exactly the same thing, but I remember seeing Jim Maxwell, the president of the U.S. Maxwell Society, wearing something similar at the Salado games a few years ago:


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    Re: Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    Thanks folks! Chas I have seen somthing similar to that before for fire brigades.

    Shaun that is one impressive chain of office!!!!

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    Re: Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    I have not seen one of these Before, but now that I have seen it on here ,I want one.

    So is it something that would be """"Allowed""""" to wear ?

    For any reason ? Or should I just move on ....and just wear a clan badge.

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    Re: Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harold Cannon View Post
    For me, this looks like caricature of a mayor, with an Alonge wig. The badge might be a simplified depiction of a mayor's chain.
    Here in Europe the mayors wear at official festivities chains with an assortment of badges, coins or seals.
    And the clothing looks to me just like a robe, like that of judges.
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    Weeelll - once I was walking along the row of shops near us and passed a young couple, she was wearing a narrow strip of denim for a skirt and a couple of handkerchieves worth of fabric for a blouse and it was losing the fight to stay closed - I was almost out of earshot when he enquired 'why doesn't your skirt move like that?' Anne the Pleater

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    Re: Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    They were usually used for a retainer. Someone who provided a service for the chief, like a herald, artist, or something along those lines. I think it would be nice if a chief had members of his clan who were maybe craftsmen or things of that nature for the clan to give them something like this as recognition of service. Just as a whim I think I may design one for my clan and see how it turns out.

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    Re: Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    Interesting. To my knowledge, The Clan Macpherson Museum and House in Newtonmore, Inverness-shire, Scotland does not have one of these, nor any record on file of one ever being given to a Macpherson clansman or clanswoman by Cluny. I wonder if other Highland clan museums (Macdonalds, Camerons, Macleans, for example) have something along the lines of this 'badge?'

    Thanks for sharing,

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    Re: Has any one ever seen one of these in real life?

    I do not believe Clan MacMillan does.

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