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    PLS Help to define the coat of arms on the ring.

    Help to define the coat of arms on the ring.
    The coat of arms is engraved on a stone from amethyst. As I think initially a stone was used as the press.
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    Can't help with the coat of arms, but welcome to the "Great Rabble!"
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    Hello, k1111!



    If you have not done so already, you may want to introduce yourself in the Newbie forum. Sorry I can't help with your coat of arms question.
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    Hello k1111,

    The arms look Polish or possibly Lithuanian (certainly eastern European). Do you have a name to go with the ring? I have a Polish Armorial and would be easier to look up the name rather than look through 10,000 individual graphics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chas View Post
    Hello k1111,

    The arms look Polish or possibly Lithuanian (certainly eastern European). Do you have a name to go with the ring? I have a Polish Armorial and would be easier to look up the name rather than look through 10,000 individual graphics.
    As I know this ring arrived from Germany. ring is new maybe 50-70 years old. without any stamp

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    Not an authority but consider the possibility that it doesn't necessarily have any affiliation and could be a pastiche…something done by a designer that looks like a legitimate coat of arms but has been made up just for the jewelry. I'm thinking that because of the chess pieces…seems unlikely that a traditional COA would have chess pieces as an element.

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    You might also consider flipping the image to do your comparisons. Sometimes a coat of arms (or just the crest) on a ring would have been engraved in the reverse so that when the ring is pressed into sealing wax the correct/normal image of the arms/crest is produced.

    For example, there was a coat of arms found on a bridge (if I recall correctly - I can't find the story right now) a few years back that was a puzzle to the Court of Lord Lyon until one of the staff saw the image in a mirror, and it became immediately obvious that it was a Scott variant (the chief's CoA with additional elements).
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    Not an expert by any means, but I would like to point out that the charges in the base of the shield may actually be heraldic altars. They seem to show up in ecclesiastical heraldry from time to time, as well as some other heraldry. I noticed that they were called chess pieces earlier and though they are very easy to confuse with a chess-rook, they are different charges. It's not a lot of help, but if we can put together something of a blazon it can be a start. Oh, and good advice on it possibly reversed. The positioning of the charges sort of suggest this as nothing points to the dexter. I find this a bit odd since the dexter side is so important in heraldry. Here's a link to an image of the altar as represented in heraldry: http://www.theweebsite.com/heraldry/images/c_altar.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleJCS View Post
    You might also consider flipping the image to do your comparisons. Sometimes a coat of arms (or just the crest) on a ring would have been engraved in the reverse so that when the ring is pressed into sealing wax the correct/normal image of the arms/crest is produced.

    For example, there was a coat of arms found on a bridge (if I recall correctly - I can't find the story right now) a few years back that was a puzzle to the Court of Lord Lyon until one of the staff saw the image in a mirror, and it became immediately obvious that it was a Scott variant (the chief's CoA with additional elements).
    John , I think you are correct about the image being reversed .

    Whenever there is an image such as a " single " animal depicted on a " coat of arms " ( horse , bird , lion , etc. ) they typically face to the left , the same holds true for clan crests . The images on this ring all face to the right , thus reversed .
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    Better yet, a photo of an actual wax impression would be nice.
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