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    Tartan jackets in the Army

    In looking over imagery depicting Highland regimental pipers from the 1830s through the 1850s I was surprised to see how many regiments were putting their pipers into tartan jackets.

    42nd Highlanders, c1850, piper in Black Watch tartan jacket and Black Watch Music Tartan kilt and plaid





    The 74th Highlanders, probably c1845, piper in Lamont tartan jacket, kilt, and plaid



    However this painting shows a piper wearing the ordinary Other Ranks coatee



    93rd Highlanders, 1845, Rob Roy tartan jacket, kilt and plaid



    I do wonder what the provenance is for the 93rd pipers wearing this costume. The drawing is from the 1950s by R M Barnes.

    Images of 93rd pipers earlier (1825) and later (1852) show scarlet jackets.

    93rd piper in a contemporary 1852 drawing showing a scarlet doublet (at a time before scarlet doublets were introduced for all Highland soldiers)

    Last edited by OC Richard; 9th May 20 at 08:43 PM.
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    Richard,

    A couple more. You may already be familiar with one or more.

    Piper McLeod, 42nd by Cannon 1836
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    72nd Piper c1847
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    Piper Rory McKay, 93rd from the Sword Dance by David Cunliffe, 1853. This one intrigues me as he's obvously wearing Hunting Stewart. Perhaps be was borrowed from another regiment that was also there.
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    Thanks!

    That's strange about the piper in Hunting Stewart. His crossbelt hardware does seem to be similar to what the 93rd pipers wore.



    About Richard Cannon's Historical Records, there must have been different editions.

    Just today I was on a library site where you can read scans of entire books, virtually flipping them page by page, from cover to cover, including the endpapers.

    I went through every page of his book on the 42nd and it had no colour plates, just two black and white illustrations, and no piper shown.

    Likewise the 74th piper in my post above is an illustration said to have come from Cannon, but it didn't appear in his book on the 74th in possession of that library. It had a colour plate showing only a soldier from 1787.

    The library had number books of the Historical Records series, from the covers quite old, including the Highland regiments the 42nd, 71st, 72nd, 73rd, and 74th. None had an illustration of a piper. Usually they had one colour plate showing the regimental flags, and a second colour plate showing an Officer and an Other Ranks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    Thanks!

    That's strange about the piper in Hunting Stewart. His crossbelt hardware does seem to be similar to what the 93rd pipers wore.


    Dear OC Richard,
    are you sure that is it Hunting Stewart tartan?
    It looks like regular Black Watch tartan, worn by A&SH.
    and in general he looks like a piper of 2nd Battn A&SH (ex-93rd Sutherland Highlanders) with correct belt, crossbelt and sporran, but he wears not-piper glengarry and diced hoses???
    Very strange...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackwatch70 View Post
    Dear OC Richard,
    are you sure that is it Hunting Stewart tartan?
    It looks like regular Black Watch tartan, worn by A&SH.
    and in general he looks like a piper of 2nd Battn A&SH (ex-93rd Sutherland Highlanders) with correct belt, crossbelt and sporran, but he wears not-piper glengarry and diced hoses???
    Very strange...
    Agreed, this is Government tartan, not Hunting Stewart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    93rd Highlanders, 1845, Rob Roy tartan jacket, kilt and plaid



    I do wonder what the provenance is for the 93rd pipers wearing this costume. The drawing is from the 1950s by R M Barnes.
    Unfortunately, I can't recall where this extract of p.325 came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackwatch70 View Post
    are you sure that is it Hunting Stewart tartan?
    It looks like regular Black Watch tartan, worn by A&SH.
    Sorry I was referring to the image Peter posted, a painting of a 93rd piper apparently wearing Hunting Stewart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Unfortunately, I can't recall where this extract of p.325 came from.

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    Thanks!

    I always take modern illustrations of historical uniforms with a large lick of salt. Generally when you see a photo or a surviving uniform you see that the modern illustration has inaccuracies. Sometimes the modern illustration is mere fantasy.

    So I hesitated to take that Barnes illustration of the piper in Rob Roy tartan at face value.

    Nice to see that it's based on evidence. I do wonder what the original source was.

    It does fit with the thing of some pipers being put into what amounted to civilian livery, just as they would wear while in the service of a member of the aristocracy.

    BTW the pipe band I play in wears PCES tartan, the tartan of the 72nd Highlanders. I think it would be very cool for a piper to put together the pre-1881 72nd pipers' uniform. (I believe the pipers were the only kilted members of the regiment, and I wonder just how their kilts were pleated.)

    Is this PCES tartan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post

    Is this PCES tartan?

    it is not PCES, but 72nd Highlanders tartan, as You wrote here: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-tartan-86487/

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    Piper McLeod by Cannon

    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Richard,

    A couple more. You may already be familiar with one or more.

    Piper McLeod, 42nd by Cannon 1836



    Does that tartan McLeod is wearing not look like the Murray of Tullibardine tartan?

    72nd Piper c1847


    Piper Rory McKay, 93rd from the Sword Dance by David Cunliffe, 1853. This one intrigues me as he's obvously wearing Hunting Stewart. Perhaps be was borrowed from another regiment that was also there.

    Does that tartan McLeod is wearing not look like the Murray of Tullibardine tartan? If not what do you think it is?

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