Black watch coarse kilt ?

[Norbo]

This my new kilt . The bloke I got it from had no idea what it was . I have looked it up on the new and I think its a Black watch Coarse tartan . but its nothing like a Black watch tartan as that's what I have been looking for and only got this as im finding it so hard to get the ex military on im after. so is this a Black watch coarse tartan and why is it called coarse ?





Its %100 wool and comes in at 1.650 KG and has 3" Knife pleats

[davidlpope]

This is the Flower of Scotland tartan. Coarse Kilt is one of the Wilsons of Bannockburn setts. It is not available as a stock tartan and is very, very rare to find. I believe that Matt Newsome has a kilt length which Peter MacDonald handwove, but can't seem to find a photo.

[Norbo]

Thanks . I did see this on 2 different sites saying it was black watch coarse but when I look up flower of Scotland this is what I have for sure . thanks .

[Tobus]

It's easy to see why this tartan can be confused with the Black Watch Course kilt tartan. (Note that references to it are spelled "Course", not "Coarse".) Both tartans are primarily blue and green with a red stripe. But the Course kilt tartan has the red stripe in the green field AND blue field, where the Flower of Scotland tartan has it only in the blue field. That's the biggest difference. There are other differences too, like the black border on both sides of the red stripe in the Course kilt.

As I understand it, the so-called Black Watch Course tartan is based on a historical kilt (pre-1788) belonging to a Black Watch officer (???). But it seems that this is not a 'real' Black Watch tartan, and the "Black Watch" title probably ought to be dropped from the name. It's a nice tartan, though, and I'd love to see it reproduced in Wilson's colours. I'd also love to see the experts like Matt or Peter weigh in on its story.

[BCAC]

It's easy to see why this tartan can be confused with the Black Watch Course kilt tartan. (Note that references to it are spelled "Course", not "Coarse".) Both tartans are primarily blue and green with a red stripe. But the Course kilt tartan has the red stripe in the green field AND blue field, where the Flower of Scotland tartan has it only in the blue field. That's the biggest difference. There are other differences too, like the black border on both sides of the red stripe in the Course kilt.

As I understand it, the so-called Black Watch Course tartan is based on a historical kilt (pre-1788) belonging to a Black Watch officer (???). But it seems that this is not a 'real' Black Watch tartan, and the "Black Watch" title probably ought to be dropped from the name. It's a nice tartan, though, and I'd love to see it reproduced in Wilson's colours. I'd also love to see the experts like Matt or Peter weigh in on its story.

My bolding. I was interested enough to look. Nowhere on t'interweb did I find the "course" spelling. Although I must admit to my google-fu not being very strong. It is spelled "coarse" on the scotweb site and on most of the tartan sites that I managed to see.

http://www.scotweb.co.uk/tartan?filt...k+watch+coarse

[Father Bill]

Of course!

[Norbo]

That's it that's one of the links I found and if you look its the same as the one I have the red pin in the middle of the blue the black banding on the out side of the green and blue blocks. its the same but if you look up flower of Scotland its the same as what I have as well .

[figheadair]

It's easy to see why this tartan can be confused with the Black Watch Course kilt tartan. (Note that references to it are spelled "Course", not "Coarse".) Both tartans are primarily blue and green with a red stripe. But the Course kilt tartan has the red stripe in the green field AND blue field, where the Flower of Scotland tartan has it only in the blue field. That's the biggest difference. There are other differences too, like the black border on both sides of the red stripe in the Course kilt.

As I understand it, the so-called Black Watch Course tartan is based on a historical kilt (pre-1788) belonging to a Black Watch officer (???). But it seems that this is not a 'real' Black Watch tartan, and the "Black Watch" title probably ought to be dropped from the name. It's a nice tartan, though, and I'd love to see it reproduced in Wilson's colours. I'd also love to see the experts like Matt or Peter weigh in on its story.

For clarification, the historical tartan is spelt 'Coarse' and not 'Course'. I've never heard the Black Watch officer story but I think it's probably a myth. This was certainly a Wilsons' sett and perhaps earlier given its simplicity. It appears in their 1819 Key Pattern Book as 'Coarse Kilt' and there is a reference in one of their notebooks where it is described as 'Kilts, 42nd Pattern Officers, Sergeants and Privates'. The implication being that in the late 1700's this was an official military sett and being identified as a kilt sett was possibly used as a fatigue tartan. The military use seems to have been dropped by the time of Waterloo.

[Tobus]

My bolding. I was interested enough to look. Nowhere on t'interweb did I find the "course" spelling. Although I must admit to my google-fu not being very strong. It is spelled "coarse" on the scotweb site and on most of the tartan sites that I managed to see.

http://www.scotweb.co.uk/tartan?filt...k+watch+coarse

Ha! I've been hornswaggled by the internet again! It just so happened that the first two sources I checked used the "course" spelling.

http://www.tartans.scotland.net/tart...tan_id=628.htm

http://www.tartansauthority.com/tart...ch-coarse-kilt (they spell it "coarse" in the title, but "course" in the description).

In retrospect, it does seem that "coarse" makes more sense.

[Norbo]

so the only real difference between what I have and the links above is the thin blue pin stripe threw the middle of the blocks other then that its the same .