HoE 'Crail' Jacket From Kilts Wi Hae

[bodhran4me]

So I had sort of figured that my 'grail' jacket was out of reach but then saw this sale from Kilts Wi Hae in Aberdeenshire. At $375 Canadian shipped vs $540 and up plus tax it is a more feasible price. It ships Royal Mail so no brokers fees and will have to wait and see if it gets hit at customs.

https://www.kiltswihae.co.uk/crail-j...ariantid=19093

I ordered online and phoned in my card for payment ( which I preferred as my paypal had been hacked several times). They offer Paypal as well. Lindsay was very helpful and got back to me to let me know the package ships tomorrow.

House of Edgar calls this their Crail Jacket, though it has the what I would call Braemar cuffs . As discussed in other threads there seems to be no true standard nomenclature of the main styles of Argyll, Crail and PC/Braemar. http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...-l-44-a-95601/
Though given my 'druthers I would have chosen the actual crail(suit jacket) cuff I feel I will be well pleased.

[plaid preacher]

Congratulations on your purchase. I have been stalking a new jacket and vest, so I look forward to your review once your jacket arrives, as well as learning about customs and duties.

BTW, where are you in eastern Ontario. I may be relocating to your area this fall.

Robert

[Tarheel]

Nice find. Another wish list item my wife will have questions about. I'll possibly beg and grovel.

[McMurdo]

That looks like a nice set. I like the colour as well, brown seems to be coming back in favour.

[bodhran4me]

Plaid preacher, sending a PM. As far as customs and duties go if you ship with a courier (FrdEx, UPS, DHL etc) they charge a brokers fee on top of whatever duty/taxes were applied at the border. I bought a used camping hammock years ago for $100 from a fellow in the U.S who shipped with a courier. I had to pay the delivery gut 50$CDN , $20 was the tax/duty and 30 was the broker fee. Since then I have always shipped US Postal Service or Royal Mail and never had either broker fees or tax/duty. Those have all been under 200$CDN. We will see what happens with the jacket.....

Tarheel Or you can have a daughter get married and request you wear your kilt!

McMurdo You mean it was out? And yes , it is nice . I had tried it and several other styles and colours at a 'local' shop. I was there looking for ex-hire but they had nothing available that fit. The peat crail was a hands down winner, but it was better than $600 with taxes so was not really an option. I had pretty much figured I would end up with a Black Barathea Argyll from the ex-hire market when I stumbled on this. Still a bit more than I wanted to spend but it suits me better, so...... The thing that stuck me was the sleeve length. All the other jackets were waaaay too short for my tastes. I don't like the shirt cuffs showing, especially since I usually roll them up because most are too short to start with.

[OC Richard]

I've seen the House Of Edgar kilt jackets in "peat" in person and they're beautiful, even nicer than they look in photos.

It's high-quality tweed, the "cut" is perfect, and that colour is wonderful.

I've been tempted many times at our various local Games when I've seen those for sale.

About import duties, it wasn't cost-effective to purchase from a local Canadian supplier? Here in the USA Customs are hit-and-miss so there's a good chance something comes through with no duties, but when they do hit you with duties it can be very expensive. I think I paid around $200 in duties on a kilt-length of tartan fabric.

Yes tweed kilt jacket colours have gone in and out of style over the years.

In Victorian times tweed kilt jackets were nearly always grey or brown, and occasionally blue.

For whatever reason around the 1930s Lovat Blue and Lovat Green became very popular, so much so that I've seen photos of Highland Games where every man is wearing one of the Lovats. If one saw brown it was generally light, more of a tan or beige.

The "peat" is an excellent colour. Nice to see deeper browns coming back.

Brown and grey in the 1860s. These two colours were near-universal for selfcoloured hose, as well.



In the 1950s this man's rich olive tweed stands out from the muted tones of the other men



Recently, here's one gent in brown/rust whereas most are wearing Lovats

[OC Richard]

Ha!

What should appear on Ebay but a Sialkot maker who apparently has copied the HOE "peat" tweed jackets and is selling these for $80!

The photos show, I'm certain, an actual HOE jacket, a County Cavan kilt (a tartan exclusive to HOE), and a made-in-Scotland sporran.

In other words I'm sure that the photos do not show the Sialkot-made jacket this Ebay seller is selling.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Men-Brown-T...p2056016.l4276

Here's HOE's own jacket page. Note the "midnight" tweed which is also lovely in person.

http://www.houseofedgar.com/acatalog/Kilt_Jackets.html

[Padraicog]

[QUOTE=OC Richard;1377244]I've seen the House Of Edgar kilt jackets in "peat" in person and they're beautiful, even nicer than they look in photos.


For whatever reason around the 1930s Lovat Blue and Lovat Green became very popular, so much so that I've seen photos of Highland Games where every man is
In the 1950s this man's rich olive tweed stands out from the muted tones of the other men



To add interest the man on the left is Wee Donald MacLeod one of the greatest pipers of modern times, next to him Jimmy Young next to him in the exemplary jacket Dr John machines (I think) whose sporran is on the table next to me at this very moment. The piper on the right is PM Jimmy MacGregor

[OC Richard]

Yes many big names in the piping world there!

I wonder about the identity of the Argylls piper on the far left. (His Coronation Dress coatee tells us it's no earlier than 1953.)

Interesting to see here and there clues to the WWII service of the men in mufti.

[Grae]

This is the classic Crail jacket I think .