I've started a new track so as not to get lost in, or confuse the UNDERKILT debate.

For to be blunt I detected just too much fear of words, and thoughts of one's rationale for wearing the kilt being misunderstood.

During my life I have seen very effeminate men wearing the kilt with all the maccho accessories. I've also seen very masculine men wearing the Greek short white much pleated fustanella, and the same with chaps in the east wearing sarongs. My daughter for her school uniform wore a skirt that would on this board be defined as a kilt. A part of my military uniform was a 'blouse', and it never occured to anyone that it might be an effeminate gament. Or what about members of the US Navy being 'frocked' upon reaching a certain rank.

By the same token women wear trousers, shirts and coats: boxer shorts and underpants too: yet they do not getb in a lather about being thought unfeminine. Rather they face down anyone stupid enough to make such a suggestion.

I could go on: but why bother?

The point is that we must not be frightened of words, rather by our own way of life and attitude, we must show that the garment/s we are wearing is an entirely masculine one.

So who cares-or should care that the garment being sold as an underkilt might be called a slip: for it is just a garment.

Too to get worried about garments being sold as 'mock kilts' I think was the expression: a bit late now, bearing in mind the Utilikilt: which I understand is being worn by both sexes.

So the problem, if there is a problem, is of chaps being frightened of words: and forgetting that what really matters is their own life style and approach. Oddly enough getting excited and unhappy about one's kilt being called a skirt, or the underkilt being called a slip: is in fact indicative of weakness, and personal doubts: not something that I for one would wish to display.

So rather than worry about words, it is attitude-one's own attitude that matters.

Sorry if I'm a bit abrasive.

James