Black Stewart question

[GreenDragon]

is there any meaning behind the Black Stewart tartan? what i mean is, is the tartan itself a protest against the British Crown?

or am i thinking too much and should just go lie down for a while?

[Tattoo Bradley]

A nap may not hurt.

The "Black Stewart" (as I understand it) is nothing more than a fashion tartan. I assume they based it on the Royal Stewart because of the Royal's extreme popularity. There are several of these "Stewart" tartans based on the Royal ie. Navy Stewart, Camel Stewart etc.

[Casper]

The only difference in the Black Stewart is that the red and the black of the tartan are reversed. I plan on getting one simply because the Royal Stewart is too common and generic, and even my Hunting Stewart is becoming the same way...

That, and I think it would look good for the various black tie events I attend (I usually pair a black tie with a black shirt).

But, yeah.... you're reading too far into it.

[Peter C.]

I like Black Stewart better than Royal Stewart because the red in the Royal Stewart is too bright for me. There is also a Green Stewart now which looks like Black Stewart with the black replaced by green, really nice. My favorite tartan is still Hunting Stewart which I have worn for most of my life.

Remember the British Crown is the Scottish Crown as well as the Welsh and English Crown, and since Victoria came to the throne the Royals have been having a love affair with Scotland. So yes, I think a lie down is in order.

Peter

[MacWage]

Also,the Stuarts/Stewarts WERE the Scottish kings BEFORE James VI became James I!

Now, whether the House of Windsor SHOULD be using the House of Stewart tartan is a WHOLE different question/matter, and not within the rules of this board.

[Peter C.]

Also,the Stuarts/Stewarts WERE the Scottish kings BEFORE James VII became James I!

Now, whether the House of Windsor SHOULD be using the House of Stewart tartan is a WHOLE different question/matter, and not within the rules of this board.

We use it, why shouldn't they,

[McClef]

It was James VI not James VII who became James I.

Whereas the Stewart genes in the House of Windsor are somewhat miniscule these days it remains the fact that they are still the Scottish royal house and the vital role of the Queen was acknowledged by Alex Salmond only this morning when her Majesty opened the new session of the Scottish Parliament.

[Mr. MacDougall]

It was James VI not James VII who became James I.

Or, as the Scottish Falsetto Sock Puppets put it, "James the Six of One... and half a dozen of the other."

[GlassMan]

It was James VI not James VII who became James I.

Whereas the Stewart genes in the House of Windsor are somewhat miniscule these days it remains the fact that they are still the Scottish royal house and the vital role of the Queen was acknowledged by Alex Salmond only this morning when her Majesty opened the new session of the Scottish Parliament.

I forget where I read it, but I have a vague memory of an article which mentioned that, because of Princess Diana's ancestry, Prince William & Prince Harry have the most Stewart blood flowing through their veins of any member of the Royal House since the Stewart dynasty. It's still not much, but it's an improvement. Now if we could only get the princes in kilts.

[McClef]

I forget where I read it, but I have a vague memory of an article which mentioned that, because of Princess Diana's ancestry, Prince William & Prince Harry have the most Stewart blood flowing through their veins of any member of the Royal House since the Stewart dynasty. It's still not much, but it's an improvement. Now if we could only get the princes in kilts.

I found a site which states:

"As regards descents from English kings, Prince William and Prince Harry are the first heirs to the throne descended from either Charles II or James II. The princes descend from Charles II by three of his mistresses - Lucy Walter, Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland, and the French Duchess of Portsmouth mentioned above. The princes descend from James II by his mistress Arabella Churchill, sister of the 1st Duke of Marlborough."

So some Stewart genes but through illegitimacy - some Stewarts seemed much better at that!

A fuller treatment can be found at http://www.newenglandancestors.org/e...72_659_472.asp

I was hoping to find a Stewart link in the descent of the late HM The Queen Mother that would help reinforce the Queen's Stewart ancestry through Elizabeth, daughter of James I and VI and the Hanoverians.

But the Bowes Lyon family were direct descendants of Robert II, King of the Scots by the looks of it, which certainly reinforces the Scottish connection but not with the Stewarts.

The Princes don't seem to be too keen on kilts alas which is somewhat of a departure from royal tradition since Queen Victoria.