Basket hilt

[MacKenzie]

I have recently acquired (for a song) a Cold Steel Broadsword as shown in the first picture on this page... http://boldblades.com/html/basket_hilts.html

All of these type reproductions have the ubiquitous red felt-like lining(?) in the basket. Would that have been "correct" for the period or would leather/hide have been the material of choice? Or nothing at all?

[48HofC]

Mine is a Seaforth Highlanders broadsword from the Boer war era and it is original with the red on the outside. Inside is off white/cream and the two are joined around the outside edge by a blue trim.

[ThistleDown]

I have a number of Scottish basket-hilt backswords and broadswords, 18C to 20C. Two are without liner now, but are the earliest and there is evidence they had some protection when they were in use. One has a leather liner with a stitched cloth backing. The others all have cloth liners, some with several layers. I have two Schiavona-design basket hilts, one from the 17C and one from the 18C, a 17C Mortuary-hilt and an 18C English basket-hilt. None of these four ever had liners.

[Orvis]

Mine is a Seaforth Highlanders broadsword from the Boer war era and it is original with the red on the outside. Inside is off white/cream and the two are joined around the outside edge by a blue trim.

My observations of 18th c. originals (from books of museum or personal collection photos) shows more basket hilt swords without liners than with them. The liners which survive appear to be of leather with a red wool cover. Some liners only covered part of the basket's interior, while others covered the entire interior, the purpose of them being to provide additional protection to the user's hand from hostile blade or point strikes. Of course, it may be that some of these liners were later additions when swords were reconditioned for display (the same occurred with original browning or japanning metal finishes, that were later cleaned off in favor of a "bright" hilt). This was especially true in the Victorian era, since people of that time had a decided affinity to "improve" old things and practices. Many modern reproduction basket hilt swords carry on this practice.

Good books to look at for more information are

John Wallace, Scottish Swords and Dirks, Stackpole Books, Harrisburg, PA, 1970
Cyril Mazansky, British Basket-Hilted Swords, Boydell Press & Royal Armouries, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 2005.

[Dughlas mor]

The hilt of the Cold Steel sword is based on the 1828 regimental pattern, the broad, triple fullered blade is more reminiscent of an earlier 18th century Jacobite era blade, so it`s kind of a mash up. I`d say that the liner it came with is about as good as anything, though the buff leather/ red wool felt ones are very nice.

[Luke MacGillie]

Here are a few swords that actually have liners. The Cold Squeal swords liner is not anything at all like any original I have looked at. Now if you decide to take it out, you will need patience. Just like the liner is not like anything I have seen, how the hilt and blade are joined together are nothing like I have ever seen, with extra nuts, set screws and the like all holding it together. I do not have a good set of instructions for you, but can only say its almost counter intuitive.

http://www.nms.ac.uk/explore/collect...?item_id=16438

http://www.nms.ac.uk/explore/collect...?item_id=26757

http://www.nms.ac.uk/explore/collect...?item_id=26777

http://www.nms.ac.uk/explore/collect...item_id=237166

[MacKenzie]

Thanks you for the replies.

Luke, you pretty much answered my next question, which was going to be: How to take it out? Perhaps it's best left alone.