Order of the Crown of Stuart

[Bigkahuna]

Do any of you Lads/Lassies have any info on The Order of The Crown of Stuart. What it is or who its members are? Thanks John

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Yes, but it's waaay past my bedtime, so let me get back to you on this in about 12-16 hours. Okay?

[Phil]

The only Stuart I know is my son but he doesn't have a crown and he doesn't take orders. Sounds like one of these organisations that would be only too happy to accept cheques from you though.

[macwilkin]

Have you visited their web site?

http://www.crownofstuart.org.uk/

Regards,

Todd

[McClef]

They seem fond of the the Divine Right principle and pretty Jacobite too.

But as they acknowledge that the line died out they could no doubt agree with Queen Victoria who could say "we are all Jacobites now."

Their gallery portrait of "Charles III" (Bonnie Prince Charlie) is most certainly NOT of him! (Look like another portrait of Charles I).

Also the protestant Stuarts (Mary II and Queen Anne) are not included in the gallery.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

They seem fond of the the Divine Right principle and pretty Jacobite too.

But as they acknowledge that the line died out they could no doubt agree with Queen Victoria who could say "we are all Jacobites now."

Their gallery portrait of "Charles III" (Bonnie Prince Charlie) is most certainly NOT of him! (Look like another portrait of Charles I).

Also the protestant Stuarts (Mary II and Queen Anne) are not included in the gallery.

In the case of Mary II her father, James II (VII of Scotland), was still alive when she ascended (some would say usurped) his throne.

James II died in 1701, and was succeeded in the succession by this son, James III and VIII of Scotland (Jacobite reckoning). In 1702 William of Orange (William III husband of Mary II) dies and is succeeded by Anne, daughter of James II and sister of James III. As there was an exisiting senior male line, Anne's technical position was that of usurper of her brother's throne.

So the Jacobites, being absolute legitimists, recognize Mary II and Anne as de facto monarchs but not as de jure sovereigns, hence their exclusion from the line of succession in the gallery on their website.

[Bigkahuna]

I have visited their web site which has only sparse information. I was hopeful someone here was more familiar with the organization.

[O'Callaghan]

It's clear from the site that they are a Jacobite order.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

It's clear from the site that they are a Jacobite order.

I think "legitimist" would be a more accurate description of the membership, as neither group advocates a restoration of the Stuart line.

[McClef]

It would be difficult to establish a legitimate Stuart line nowadays in any case given the number of legitimate male descendants drying up even if religion had not been an issue.

Having exhausted the male line descending from James I and VI the principle of male preference primogeniture would then have had to go through the female line from James in any case. We would have missed out on George I and George II (perhaps not overall a bad thing ) but otherwise would have pretty much ended up with what we have now (with a certain amount of regnal renumbering).