Visitors to the uk be warned

[tripleblessed]

Sometimes, better DOES win out.

And after you pay the wrecker for getting you out of a mudhole a manual would have gotten you out of for free, you finally understand why the
manual is superior. Growing up around swamps, you learn things. I grew up with a guy who would borrow his father's 1963 283 Bel Air three
on the tree and beat 396 Chevelles with Hurst 4-speeds. And could and did outshift Chrysler's pushbutton automatic that was supposed to be
the fastest transmission on the planet. I've talked to over-the-road drivers who drive company owned automatics because that's what they are
issued, but when they buy, their own money goes manual. Tight spots, no question. Admittedly these are personal opinions, but well informed,
hard earned personal opinions.

(For those unfamiliar, three on the tree is a three-speed manual mounted on the steering column, not the floor.)

[jsrnephdoc]

And after you pay the wrecker for getting you out of a mudhole a manual would have gotten you out of for free, you finally understand why the
manual is superior. Growing up around swamps, you learn things.

Surprising how far afield we're allowed to wander on this forum. But, in the Europe vs. America spirit of this discussion, I'll add that the "DSG" (dual sequential) gearboxes ARE clutch-based transmissions that can be shifted totally and instantaneously at the will of the driver. And, the pinnacle of motorsport (F1) is where they first came to recognition as the fastest way to get things done.

Of course, it IS true that one cannot "feather" the clutch driving with a DSG, but the computer "nanny" that manages shifting won't permit the driver to downshift from sixth to 1st, in the process of destroying the car and perhaps even its pilot, either.

[CBH]

True the DSG and PDK and F1 cars technically have a clutch, but they do not have 3 pedals. Thus my care in discerning between them.

Clicking a paddle is clearly faster around a track, but is really just a nuisance in regular street driving. It is nothing like the engagement of the 3rd pedal.

And most cars with these types of automated trannies have way too many gears anyway. Its wiser - and faster - to just let the computer do the work and you can focus on shifting via the accelerator.

They are good for one thing though - when you're cruising at low speeds and the computer has you in a very tall gear, you can floor it and instantly go from 6 or 7th gear straight to 1st

[Liam]

yes it is getting off topic, but the original poster doesn’t seem to mind.....

Surprising how far afield we're allowed to wander on this forum. But, in the Europe vs. America spirit of this discussion, I'll add that the "DSG" (dual sequential) gearboxes ARE clutch-based transmissions that can be shifted totally and instantaneously at the will of the driver. And, the pinnacle of motorsport (F1) is where they first came to recognition as the fastest way to get things done.

Of course, it IS true that one cannot "feather" the clutch driving with a DSG, but the computer "nanny" that manages shifting won't permit the driver to downshift from sixth to 1st, in the process of destroying the car and perhaps even its pilot, either.

[Jock Scot]

I don't mind at all, minor deviations on a subject are all part and parcel of the inevitable ebb and flow of a longish conversation.

[MacKenzie]

For those unfamiliar, three on the tree is a three-speed manual mounted on the steering column, not the floor.

What I learned on.

[SF Jeff]

The first time we tried to drop it off we were turned away because the ONE GUY that worked there that could drive a stick shift was on vacation.

I studied Krav Maga for 4 years and one time we had a guest instructor come to teach a class on car jacking (how to prevent one, not do one). A few students volunteered their cars and we broke up into groups, about six groups of 4-5 students. One of the cars was a stick and the instructor asked who could drive a stick so they could be put in that group. In a class of about 30 students, only myself and the owner of the car raised our hands.

[User]

I studied Krav Maga for 4 years and one time we had a guest instructor come to teach a class on car jacking (how to prevent one, not do one). A few students volunteered their cars and we broke up into groups, about six groups of 4-5 students. One of the cars was a stick and the instructor asked who could drive a stick so they could be put in that group. In a class of about 30 students, only myself and the owner of the car raised our hands.

How to prevent a car jacking: own a manual car.

[Canadian Vet]

I remember being warned by some do-gooder of how easily my little children could get hold of my car keys, turn the ignition and put it in drive.
Well, no.
Not unless I put a 6 inch wooden block on my clutch petal ,,,