Wedding Wear

[Phil]

As others ahve said, unless you are one of the "heid bummers" at the wedding it is best to go with the tweed for daytime. In Scotland, though, you will find that many guests will arrive in PC's, daytime or evening, so you could quite reasonably join in. I would leave the fly plaid at home though. Sometimes the groom and best man will wear them to distinguish theselves a little from the herd but others should not for that very reason.

[Jock Scot]

As others ahve said, unless you are one of the "heid bummers" at the wedding it is best to go with the tweed for daytime. In Scotland, though, you will find that many guests will arrive in PC's, daytime or evening, so you could quite reasonably join in. I would leave the fly plaid at home though. Sometimes the groom and best man will wear them to distinguish theselves a little from the herd but others should not for that very reason.

I have noticed that the PC has incorrectly crept into the wedding scene here too. Rightly or wrongly I have put it down to the hire companies and their "standard issue, one style fits all" mentality, along with the supplied white hose and ghillie brogues. I suspect most of their customers know no better, or perhaps more kindly, they just take what they are given, as it a one off event for them.

[thescot]

I have noticed that the PC has incorrectly crept into the wedding scene here too. Rightly or wrongly I have put it down to the hire companies and their "standard issue, one style fits all" mentality, along with the supplied white hose and ghillie brogues. I suspect most of their customers know no better, or perhaps more kindly, they just take what they are given, as it a one off event for them.

Well, don't get me started on that. The total sartorial ignorance of most people under 50 is awe inspiring. How can so many people live so many combined years with no knowledge of proper dress?

I would feel better if the young were dressing inappropriately because they wanted to rebel, but the fact is they're too ignorant to now better. They wear tuxes and PCs at 11:00 without any notion that one should not do so, and they rental outfits perpetrate it by foisting the outfits off on the unwashed masses. Weddings end up looking like high school proms.

Just read what Jock says and do it. It's really quite simple.

I feel better now. I think I'll go back to the Home and lie down for a bit. It's almost time for my meds.

[mull]

[QUOTE=thescot;856811]Well, don't get me started on that. The total sartorial ignorance of most people under 50 is awe inspiring. How can so many people live so many combined years with no knowledge of proper dress?


We blame our elders for a lack of proper instruction.
Joe

[Jock Scot]

[QUOTE=mull;856837]

Well, don't get me started on that. The total sartorial ignorance of most people under 50 is awe inspiring. How can so many people live so many combined years with no knowledge of proper dress?


We blame our elders for a lack of proper instruction.
Joe

Well some of us "elders" are doing our best! Mind you, to coin one of the several phrases that have come to my mind, I personally find that this is : "...there are non so blind as those that don't want to see...", quite appropriate for most situations. I could go on, but I am too tired and must rest. Before I give my next lecture on how life should be lived, what to wear, when to wear it, how to wear it and how youngsters should respect their elders by listening to every word they say and then promptly acting on it, precisely.

[mull]

[QUOTE=Jock Scot;856842]

Well some of us "elders" are doing our best! Mind you, to coin one of the several phrases that have come to my mind, I personally find that this is : "...there are non so blind as those that don't want to see...", quite appropriate for most situations. I could go on, but I am too tired and must rest.

Truthfully,
I have learned a great deal here on X marks and hold the gentlemen (and ladies) who have provided the instruction in highest regard.

Society in general is not doing such a good job.

As for those who do not "want to see". if you have always been blind, how would you know there is anything else.

Reminds me of levels of knowledge, with the lowest being those who are unconsciously- unconscious. They do not know that they do not know. Once one becomes consciously- unconscious, they can learn, as they now know that they do not know.
Joe

[Jock Scot]

[QUOTE=mull;856852]

Truthfully,
I have learned a great deal here on X marks and hold the gentlemen (and ladies) who have provided the instruction in highest regard.

Society in general is not doing such a good job.

As for those who do not "want to see". if you have always been blind, how would you know there is anything else.

Reminds me of levels of knowledge, with the lowest being those who are unconsciously- unconscious. They do not know that they do not know. Once one becomes consciously- unconscious, they can learn, as they now know that they do not know.
Joe

I have the greatest respect for those that genuinely have little or no eyesight and I hope thay they will forgive me for my throw away quotation. Nevertheless selective quotations, as in selectivly ignoring the last part of my last post has just been, does illustrate perfectly what us "elders" have to put up with!

[mull]

[QUOTE=Jock Scot;856860]

I have the greatest respect for those that genuinely have little or no eyesight and I hope thay they will forgive me for my throw away quotation. Nevertheless selective quotations, as in selectivly ignoring the last part of my last post has just been, does illustrate perfectly what us "elders" have to put up with!

Jock,
I sense we have some misunderstanding here. My intention was to post, with gratitude, to those here who have supplied instruction. There are those of us just starting on a journey of proper dress; some just aware of how involved the rules can be. I had no intention of misquoting or selctively quoting you.
Joe

[Jock Scot]

[QUOTE=mull;856865]

Jock,
I sense we have some misunderstanding here. My intention was to post, with gratitude, to those here who have supplied instruction. There are those of us just starting on a journey of proper dress; some just aware of how involved the rules can be. I had no intention of misquoting or selctively quoting you.
Joe

I was only having a spot of fun!! Honest! I was doing the "grumpy old man bit", that is all. I had hoped that the smiley face would give you the clue that our conversation was in jest. I hope that no harm has been done, certainly none was intended and none has been done over here!

[Tobus]

The total sartorial ignorance of most people under 50 is awe inspiring. How can so many people live so many combined years with no knowledge of proper dress?

Speaking as one of those who is under 50 and trying to learn "proper dress", I can tell you it's because society doesn't care about what's "proper" any more. You older fellows apparently were taught somewhere, or picked up the rules of etiquette along the way. But for us younger folks, we were raised in a time where etiquette was (apparently) not important. It's not like they teach this stuff in school. And it seems that your generation failed somehow to pass along your knowledge to mine. Nowadays people expect the rental/hire companies to know the rules for formality (it's their business, after all!), so if these companies are responsible for bad information, shame on them. For normal people who do not attend enough formal functions to have been exposed to proper etiquette, why would you have expected them to know all the rules?

Many of us are trying to learn from you older and wiser gentlemen, and we appreciate your help on these issues. But I can't help feeling a little defensive when being labeled as "too ignorant to know better", even if it's an accurate statement. You may not have intended it to be demeaning, but surely you can understand how your statements could be taken as such, especially from the folks who are genuinely asking for help.