Post Your Granted, Assumed or Desired Arms

[davidlpope]

Those would be the "undifferenced arms" - but, with the number of generations between me and the ancestor for whom I would be petitioning a grant of arms, I don't think there's any way to make it less complicated.

That, and I am fascinated by cadency (particularly the Stodart System), and wanted to try my hand at it.

To illustrate the number of differences required, here's the basic genealogical breakdown:

My father is a second son.
My grandfather was a fifth son.
My great-grandfather was a first son.
My great-great grandfather was born in Scotland and was the son of the daughter of the supposed cheifly heir and G. Swan.

So, my great-grandfather would inherit the undifferenced arms.
My grandfather's arms would be differenced by making the line of partition castellated.
My father's arms would be differenced by a bordure Or, which would become chequy or counter-compony azure and or if part of the field is Or.

That's really the most aesthetically-pleasing (and appropriate) way that I could come up with to show the differences.

Go it. Thanks!

[macwilkin]

All by my lonesome.


It is a groundhog (I was born on Groundhog Day) holding a sprig of Long-Leaf Pine (representing North Carolina, where I was born).


The stars come from the seal of the Cherokee. There are two simply for the sake of symmetry. I wanted both symbols, but wanted the cross in the more prominent position. Not that you asked, but the barrulet dancetty throughout in the main field represents the rope of a rope tension drum.

The motto translates "to live bravely".


Do you have images blocked from imageshack.us? If that's not the case, then I'm not sure what the problem could be. On another forum, there have been issues where images did not show up if the "www" was missing from the URL in one's browser.

Grand! I especially like the use of the "Cherokee Rose", given that Principal Chief John Ross had a Scottish father, and many a Cherokee also has Scottish heritage.

T.

[Bugbear]

Mike_Oettle and I had discussed designing a shield with a "demi-zebra issuant," based on a picture he had. We never really got around to working on it, which is probably best...

[Teufel Hunden]

Edited

[ThistleDown]

EDIT: Now I wish I had included assumed arms in the title - since those who, for whatever reason, have assumed arms ought to be included in this as well!

Fixed the title for you Mr Swan.

[Tartan Tess]

As a lass of 19 years of age,....i was invited to one of those SCA things, being my "coat of arms" this was 1979 blah blah woof woof...Now in the twentyfirst century it is a lot more trouble than it is worth. I see my device out spoken without my imputt.
I was a female "professional" Jugglur year ago. Perhaps they follow historic thread

[EagleJCS]

If I were to petition a grant of arms from Lyon for my 5xg-gf (that's how far back I have to go to get to a subject of the Crown, much less Scotland), he would likely start with the Scott coat of arms, thus: "Or, on a bend Azure a star between two crescents Or". That's the blazon for the Scott coat of arms on the Buccleuch line (Chief of the name). You can see it here.

Since I can't trace back definitively to the chiefly line or to a cadet branch of known armigers, in order to distinguish between the chiefly line and mine, we could discuss different things to include on the shield. I think a long rifle or something to represent the Bluegrass would be appropriate, since my family settled on the VA frontier in the mid-1770's and were among the first to settle in KY in the 1790's.

Lyon would then difference the arms accordingly for each succeeding generation:

• my 4xg-gf, the second son (under Stodart's conventions probably a bordure, possibly azure)
• my 3xg-gf, the eldest son, would be undifferenced
• my 2xg-gf, the eldest son, would be undifferenced
• my g-gf, the third son (either a change in the patten of the bordure or a change in color)
• my gf, the eldest, would probably be undifferenced (although his parents didn't marry until later. Depends on how strictly Lyon interprets the rule of illegitimacy. At times, the birth was later deemed to be legitimate if the parents wed.)
• my f, the eldest, would be undifferenced
• me, the eldest, would be undifferenced (except for a label of three points until my father passes)

It's a moot point for now, as I don't have the funds to continue my research, much less the petition and subsequent matriculations for my father and myself.

[KiltedSergeant]

When my oldest son was about 9, I was stationed in England, and became interested in heraldry and coats-of-arms. We designed this, to avoid the cheesy (and I'm sure unauthentic) one the "Family Heritage" vendors had.

It has gone through a few iterations. This latest version was created at The Treemaker (http://www.thetreemaker.com/design-c...ms-symbol.html). One can create their own, or they will provide varying levels of assistance, depending on your budget.

[Cygnus]

Fixed the title for you Mr Swan.

Thank you, good sir; I appreciate it!

[Cygnus]

If I were to petition a grant of arms from Lyon for my 5xg-gf (that's how far back I have to go to get to a subject of the Crown, much less Scotland), he would likely start with the Scott coat of arms, thus: "Or, on a bend Azure a star between two crescents Or". That's the blazon for the Scott coat of arms on the Buccleuch line (Chief of the name).

Since I can't trace back definitively to the chiefly line or to a cadet branch of known armigers, in order to distinguish between the chiefly line and mine, we could discuss different things to include on the shield. I think a long rifle or something to represent the Bluegrass would be appropriate, since my family settled on the VA frontier in the mid-1770's and were among the first to settle in KY in the 1790's.

Lyon would then difference the arms accordingly for each succeeding generation:

• my 4xg-gf, the second son (under Stodart's conventions probably a bordure, possibly azure)
• my 3xg-gf, the eldest son, would be undifferenced
• my 2xg-gf, the eldest son, would be undifferenced
• my g-gf, the third son (either a change in the patten of the bordure or a change in color)
• my gf, the eldest, would probably be undifferenced (although his parents didn't marry until later. Depends on how strictly Lyon interprets the rule of illegitimacy. At times, the birth was later deemed to be legitimate if the parents wed.)
• my f, the eldest, would be undifferenced
• me, the eldest, would be undifferenced (except for a label of three points until my father passes)

It's a moot point for now, as I don't have the funds to continue my research, much less the petition and subsequent matriculations for my father and myself.

That sounds about right - except I believe the difference accorded to you fourth-great grandfather would be a bordure Argent (I'm fairly certain that the no metals-on-metals convention doesn't apply to bordures - if I am mistaken and it does, it would probably be a bordure chequy Argent and Azure). With a bordure Azure people would think he was the fifth son.

And good luck with your research!