I hear you Bear. I've watched the UK kilt board degenerate into a debating society about meaningless issues unrelated to kilts.

Just having trouble figuring how cutting the crotch out of jocky shorts to make an underkilt in the same way UK's Steve cut the crotch out of his jeans to make a Utillikilt is gonna lead to the downfall of this board.

For what its worth, anyone who wanted to wear an underkilt as a skirt would be arrested for indecent exposure the first time they sat down or bent over. The garments are designed as a type of underwear. They fail completely as outerwear.

Ron