Thanks Bill. I did look at the USAK Casual and it is indeed a FINE looking product with some of the features I am seeking. However, probably what I am after would be heresy to many and not even a kilt by others. For myself, comfort would mean somewhat lower on the waist, at the same level of conventional shorts..about four to five inches below the belly button. Too, especially here, a more "pants like" belt loop setup with at least seven loops, but for a belt of about 1 1/2 inch. The length would come to a point at the top of the knee. As many have pointed out here, suffcient very light fabric to allow for plenty of movement, ease of sitting, and coverage when sitting. Even the banding around the waist would be thinner from top to bottom (maybe 1 3/4), but sufficiently thick to not roll over at the intersection of belly and waist and to support a thinner belt. This wouldn't be just a wrap around, but a combination of panels designed with comfort and style appeal in themselves with no need of sporran, brass brads, or pockets in front or back, but two vent pockets on the side. Sorry if any find this offensive in any way. I DO wish I knew the rudiments of developing such a pattern and enough about construction and sewing to develop an assembly that would best reflect the tricks of the trade in achieving a balance of style and common sense construction of such as I am sure that to work this would require the right combination of the right pleat style and panel construction to fit the rear and hips while still having a smooth flow of the fabric when walking and working.