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    [QUOTE=Burly Brute;987948][QUOTE=MacMillan of Rathdown;987908]
    The "revival" of the kilt had very little to do with the repeal of the Act of Proscription, and everything to do with Sir Walter Scott making a romantic vision of the Highlands popular, and Queen Victoria making all things Scottish suddenly fashionable.[//QUOTE]


    But let's say it wasn't repealed, then who would have been able to partake! ;-)

    There are plenty of primary sources showing people were still wearing kilts, and tartan for that matter, during Proscription. I think it was mainly, if not exclusively, in the Highlands and Islands, though... not counting the military kilts, of course.
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    [QUOTE=Bugbear;987950][QUOTE=Burly Brute;987948]
    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    The "revival" of the kilt had very little to do with the repeal of the Act of Proscription, and everything to do with Sir Walter Scott making a romantic vision of the Highlands popular, and Queen Victoria making all things Scottish suddenly fashionable.[//QUOTE]





    There are plenty of primary sources showing people were still wearing kilts, and tartan for that matter, during Proscription. I think it was mainly, if not exclusively, in the Highlands and Islands, though... not counting the military kilts, of course.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Burly Brute View Post
    And those who were in with "the man"
    Oddly enough, it was a discussion here on the forum about Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations that led me to look into it just a little. The introduction, in particular. But, he "da man."
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    [QUOTE=Burly Brute;987948]
    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    The "revival" of the kilt had very little to do with the repeal of the Act of Proscription, and everything to do with Sir Walter Scott making a romantic vision of the Highlands popular, and Queen Victoria making all things Scottish suddenly fashionable.[/QUOTE]


    But let's say it wasn't repealed, then who would have been able to partake! ;-)
    The consequences of the Act of Proscription is one of those "urban myths" that surround the kilt. There was no wholesale enforcement of the act, and in fact people continued to wear the kilt after the passage of the act, much as they had before. The probable intended consequence of the act was to allow local magistrates to move against armed, or potentially armed, bodies of men who might wish to oppose the government. As it turned out the defeat of the Jacobites returned the Highlands to the more or less peaceful status of 1743-44 and there was no need to arrest men and women for wearing tartan.

    Something else to be considered is that even in the Highlands not everyone wore the kilt. With or without the Act of Proscription being lifted the kilt probably would have faded away with time, rather like t-shirts from some now forgotten rock concert. Without Scott and Queen Victoria in all likelihood the kilt would have vanished by the middle of the 19th century.

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    Re: Can I wear my wife's family too?

    Apols. for bumping this old thread...but this seems appropriate:

    http://www.queerty.com/if-gays-marry...kilt-20110902/

    If Scotland does pass 'gay marriage' I think the 'rules' on tartan wearing might have to be updated...oh how far things have come since the 19th century!

    Or is it already regular for same-sex couples to wear the partner's tartan? (I know some who do down here, but I don't know any couples up in Scotland)? Even at the wedding I was still nervous wearing my partner's, but preferred it to my black plain one, or a generic tartan...or even the one I think I might have some 'right' to via adoption (?) - Wilson. Anyway Lindsay is a much nicer tartan....BTW my partner even has that Lindsay nose, some pics of James Ludovic are spookily similar...
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    Re: Can I wear my wife's family too?

    Quote Originally Posted by xman View Post
    Only sissy, emasculated men wear their wife's clan tartan.
    No, I think that only sissy, emasculated men wear their wife's clan tartan skirt.... ;)

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    Same-sex couples & tartan wearing

    Quote Originally Posted by fingertrouble View Post
    Apols. for bumping this old thread...but this seems appropriate:

    http://www.queerty.com/if-gays-marry...kilt-20110902/

    If Scotland does pass 'gay marriage' I think the 'rules' on tartan wearing might have to be updated...oh how far things have come since the 19th century!

    Or is it already regular for same-sex couples to wear the partner's tartan? (I know some who do down here, but I don't know any couples up in Scotland)? Even at the wedding I was still nervous wearing my partner's, but preferred it to my black plain one, or a generic tartan...or even the one I think I might have some 'right' to via adoption (?) - Wilson. Anyway Lindsay is a much nicer tartan....BTW my partner even has that Lindsay nose, some pics of James Ludovic are spookily similar...
    While it is the custom for the wife to adopt both her husband's name and tartan, she is under no obligation to do so. When Agnes McSporran marries Hamish Doodlesack she is by custom called Agnes Doodlesack, but legally she is Agnes McSporran, Mrs. Hamish Doodlesack. (When Hamish goes tits up she then uses the style "Mrs. Agnes Doodlesack" to indicate her status as a widow.) Agnes has the choice of two tartans-- Doodlesack or McSporran.

    The same holds true for same sex couples; both retain their legal (presumably) birth name unless they choose to alter it by hyphenation (Wilson-Lindsay) or by mutual agreement adopt the surname of one of the partners (Mssrs. Timothy and Randolph Lindsay).

    So how does this affect tartan wearing? Not one bit. One follows custom and wears either their own tartan, or that of their partner. If neither partner can lay claim to a specific clan tartan, then a district or universal tartan would be appropriate.

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    Re: Can I wear my wife's family too?

    Quote Originally Posted by creagdhubh View Post

    My wife, Stephanie, with Sandy MacLean (JSFMACLJR) wearing her rather short in length, Robertson tartan sash in ancient colours - she is extremely proud of her Scottish ancestry (Robertson of Struan).


    My wife and I at our rehearsal dinner, just prior to our wedding day. We are both wearing the Macpherson red tartan in the modern colours.



    Beannach'd libh,
    I know this is an old post but your wife is gorgeous!!! I love her outfits with the sash.

    *thinks about getting a sash now*

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    Re: Can I wear my wife's family too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Burly Brute View Post
    My soon-to-be wife has ties with the Donalds, is it proper for me to get a couple tanks in this tartan and claim it or is that only open to her and our offspring? Thanks rabble!

    -Zach
    Yes you can certainly wear your wife's tartan and all your offsprings can too,wear it with pride and enjoy it.
    best wishes Sylvia

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    Re: Can I wear my wife's family too?

    OK, the title is "Can I wear my wife's family too?"

    My first thoughts...

    I can picture it now, a huge kilt belt to hold all those relatives around your waist.

    What, wearing your own family isn't enough? How will you have room for all those people??


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