I think it would be a dreadful shame if Jock chooses not to return to this forum all because of a few clashing words- different strokes for different folks and all that, as I pointed out recently the cultural differences between the UK/Ireland and the "New World" go a long way in shaping peoples' different opinions, and I don't honestly think that the twain will ever completely meet, but I'd like to think that we can all work around our differences- after all, whatever is posted by an individual is nothing more than one person's opinion (those who claim to be speaking for more then one must insist that those other people join the group and make their own posts as far as I'm concerned, otherwise I won't recognise their opinions).