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    Kyle, you look fantastic as usual. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen you looking bad in your Highland attire

    Seeing as you've asked, I have a few comments. Judging by the rest of those in attendance whom we can see in the photo, I would venture to say that you are slightly overdressed for the event.
    On the contrary, I think everyone else was underdressed.

    This is the same issue I have. If everyone else attending the Games wants to wear boots and scrunched hose, or worse - flip flops! - does that mean someone who actually shows up in appropriate attire is the one who is not correct?

    I do understand and agree that context is very important when choosing what's most appropriate. But IMHO, we do ourselves a disservice trying to lower ourselves to the "common denominator" of those around us who choose only to wear casual, slovenly, or downright inappropriate attire (whether they be kilted or not). So the important question here is this: what is more important for context when choosing appropriate clothing? The event itself, or the sartorial whims of the masses?

    For myself, I see nothing wrong with following the example set by Scots when wearing their cultural garb, and ignoring the American "peer pressure" to fit in with the herd. While it may seem overdressed when compared to the crowd of casually-dressed guests, perhaps it also simultaneously sets a good example that others may decide to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    Snip * the American "peer pressure" to fit in with the herd. *Snip
    I chuckle affectionately at that phrase. There are multiple threads ongoing at this time which show the unwillingness of some Americans to fit in with anyone, including their potential hosts. Ah well, we are all unique, now aren't we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    On the contrary, I think everyone else was underdressed.

    This is the same issue I have. If everyone else attending the Games wants to wear boots and scrunched hose, or worse - flip flops! - does that mean someone who actually shows up in appropriate attire is the one who is not correct?

    I do understand and agree that context is very important when choosing what's most appropriate. But IMHO, we do ourselves a disservice trying to lower ourselves to the "common denominator" of those around us who choose only to wear casual, slovenly, or downright inappropriate attire (whether they be kilted or not). So the important question here is this: what is more important for context when choosing appropriate clothing? The event itself, or the sartorial whims of the masses?

    For myself, I see nothing wrong with following the example set by Scots when wearing their cultural garb, and ignoring the American "peer pressure" to fit in with the herd. While it may seem overdressed when compared to the crowd of casually-dressed guests, perhaps it also simultaneously sets a good example that others may decide to follow.
    Extremely well put, Tobus and I couldn't agree more. It pleases me to know that I am not alone!

    Kind regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    On the contrary, I think everyone else was underdressed.

    This is the same issue I have. If everyone else attending the Games wants to wear boots and scrunched hose, or worse - flip flops! - does that mean someone who actually shows up in appropriate attire is the one who is not correct?

    I do understand and agree that context is very important when choosing what's most appropriate. But IMHO, we do ourselves a disservice trying to lower ourselves to the "common denominator" of those around us who choose only to wear casual, slovenly, or downright inappropriate attire (whether they be kilted or not). So the important question here is this: what is more important for context when choosing appropriate clothing? The event itself, or the sartorial whims of the masses?

    For myself, I see nothing wrong with following the example set by Scots when wearing their cultural garb, and ignoring the American "peer pressure" to fit in with the herd. While it may seem overdressed when compared to the crowd of casually-dressed guests, perhaps it also simultaneously sets a good example that others may decide to follow.
    I agree with everything you said above Tobus!

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    Kyle, excellent turnout mate, you were at a Highland gathering, wearing clothes that were appropiate for the event and weather, you were able to adjust that attire as the climate changed. Your wore an outfit that was traditional and verstile.
    Too traditional? - barrrrr humbug
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    On the contrary, I think everyone else was underdressed.

    This is the same issue I have. If everyone else attending the Games wants to wear boots and scrunched hose, or worse - flip flops! - does that mean someone who actually shows up in appropriate attire is the one who is not correct?

    I do understand and agree that context is very important when choosing what's most appropriate. But IMHO, we do ourselves a disservice trying to lower ourselves to the "common denominator" of those around us who choose only to wear casual, slovenly, or downright inappropriate attire (whether they be kilted or not). So the important question here is this: what is more important for context when choosing appropriate clothing? The event itself, or the sartorial whims of the masses?

    For myself, I see nothing wrong with following the example set by Scots when wearing their cultural garb, and ignoring the American "peer pressure" to fit in with the herd. While it may seem overdressed when compared to the crowd of casually-dressed guests, perhaps it also simultaneously sets a good example that others may decide to follow.
    Yup. What Tobus said.

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    Just to reiterate, I too think Kyle looks smashing in his Highland attire

    Quote Originally Posted by creagdhubh View Post
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    I do not think my attire was too traditional, or that I was overdressed in regards to the context of the event and the temperature outside - absolutely not.
    You would know the scene there better (i.e. I didn't know it followed a Highland Games format) and I'm glad you were setting a good example. I still can't help but think that bringing the cromach to an event where it apparently wasn't needed is a bit too much... and if you are unwilling to jock your bonnet, you better start wearing it more often to get that fifty mission crush

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    On the contrary, I think everyone else was underdressed.
    ...
    I do understand and agree that context is very important when choosing what's most appropriate. But IMHO, we do ourselves a disservice trying to lower ourselves to the "common denominator" of those around us who choose only to wear casual, slovenly, or downright inappropriate attire (whether they be kilted or not). So the important question here is this: what is more important for context when choosing appropriate clothing? The event itself, or the sartorial whims of the masses?
    ...
    Good points, Tobus.

    I fear that overdressing -- compared to the "common masses" at the event one "lowers oneself" to attend (where is the sarcasm smilie?) -- can also be problematic. Now Kyle has assured us that he is not the only one who dresses more smartly at this particular event. But if he were the lone voice in the wilderness, so to speak, there is the danger of making the kilt look like a uniform or worse, a costume.

    If the idea is to set a good example that others might follow, then making the kilt appear accessible -- but still traditional, of course -- is not so bad, is it? I hope no-one is suggesting that the other pictures of Kyle that I re-posted, where he is wearing a shirt or a shirt and a sweater, would be "casual, slovenly, or downright inappropriate"?

    To answer your question then, I think that it is ideal to find a balance between the traditionally appropriate options for a certain type of event, and the location/crowd who are attending a particular event.

    Quote Originally Posted by creagdhubh View Post
    ... I insisted on wearing neck ties almost everyday when I was in elementary school, even though there was no formal dress code and most kids were wearing t-shirts ...
    You know, I did the same thing for a few years in elementary ith:
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMcG View Post
    Just to reiterate, I too think Kyle looks smashing in his Highland attire



    You would know the scene there better (i.e. I didn't know it followed a Highland Games format) and I'm glad you were setting a good example. I still can't help but think that bringing the cromach to an event where it apparently wasn't needed is a bit too much... and if you are unwilling to jock your bonnet, you better start wearing it more often to get that fifty mission crush



    Good points, Tobus.

    I fear that overdressing -- compared to the "common masses" at the event one "lowers oneself" to attend (where is the sarcasm smilie?) -- can also be problematic. Now Kyle has assured us that he is not the only one who dresses more smartly at this particular event. But if he were the lone voice in the wilderness, so to speak, there is the danger of making the kilt look like a uniform or worse, a costume.

    If the idea is to set a good example that others might follow, then making the kilt appear accessible -- but still traditional, of course -- is not so bad, is it? I hope no-one is suggesting that the other pictures of Kyle that I re-posted, where he is wearing a shirt or a shirt and a sweater, would be "casual, slovenly, or downright inappropriate"?

    To answer your question then, I think that it is ideal to find a balance between the traditionally appropriate options for a certain type of event, and the location/crowd who are attending a particular event.



    You know, I did the same thing for a few years in elementary ith:
    I think that perhaps what you're saying about leadership is that if you get too far ahead of your troops, your silhouette going over the hill starts to look like that of the enemy coming the other way.

    Agreed, but always push the envelope in the proper direction!

    Well done, lad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father Bill View Post
    I think that perhaps what you're saying about leadership is that if you get too far ahead of your troops, your silhouette going over the hill starts to look like that of the enemy coming the other way.

    Agreed, but always push the envelope in the proper direction!

    Well done, lad!
    Thank you Father, that is an excellent analogy!

    And of course, ever forward
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