Thanks Bubba, I will say this tho, and I risk being unpopular in doing so, it only occurred to me tonight that Utilikilts have no front apron, they are pleated, this to me is unacceptable. I could entertain the idea of a plain kilt if it looks like a kilt, but no kilt I know has pleats in the front, it's a skirt! mens' skirt? maybe, but a skirt (sorry about the language).

The Victory Kilt by comparison, has a front, flat, apron, I like it much more. No black, as rocky explained, but the green is nice.