Quincy churches rally against Tilted Kilt pub - Resurrected

**Mael Coluim** · 10th September 12, 07:38 PM

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I give you my solemn vow. I will fight until my dying breath to rectify this injustice! It will not stand. Not in the America I believe in. You will have to pull those scantily clothed waitresses out of my cold, dead hands. Freedom! (to see half naked ladies!)

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2.Yesterday, 11:49 AM #52

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Don't celebrate too much just yet, Thomas H. Tilted Kilt still has the option to appeal the ruling and go directly to the state's alcoholic beverage commission. And they may yet do that, considering the money they have already invested in this project (as well as the potential profits to be made). If they do, they may have a decent chance of getting this decision overturned since it seems to have been made on the grounds of the waitstaff's outfits rather than anything actually having to do with alcohol. If I understand it correctly, it was the liquor license that was denied, not their general business permit.

I do find it interesting that the law requiring notification (the one which prompted the board to reconvene on the matter) is heavily weighed in favour of a religious organization's ability to control the businesses around them. It requires any business within 500 feet of a church to prove that its business will not harm the church's affairs. How exactly does one do that? How do you prove a negative, especially when all it takes is one church member to say otherwise, and without any such burden of proof on the church? The wording of the requirement (if it is reported correctly) is pretty lopsided in favour of the church.

But, that's the beauty of the concept of States' Rights. Contrary to popular belief, the so-called "separation of church and state" only applies to our federal government. States (and their political subdivisions) were intended to have this autonomy. It is very rarely supported in the courts, but still...

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Originally Posted by castledangerous
I give you my solemn vow. I will fight until my dying breath to rectify this injustice! It will not stand. Not in the America I believe in. You will have to pull those scantily clothed waitresses out of my cold, dead hands. Freedom! (to see half naked ladies!)
"Would yuo trade all days from this day to that for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to tell our enemies that they may take our lives..but they'll never take... SCANTLILY CLAD WAITRESSES!...TILTED KILTS...GU BRAAAAATH!"
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Originally Posted by Meggers
"Would yuo trade all days from this day to that for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to tell our enemies that they may take our lives..but they'll never take... SCANTLILY CLAD WAITRESSES!...TILTED KILTS...GU BRAAAAATH!"
We are an army of two, Meggers, we cannot be stopped!

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5.Yesterday, 11:57 AM #55

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The Funny thing about Freedom and rights are .. what one person calls freedom another may call boundage .. and knowing that we all have the right to like or dislike
things ,Is a great Freedom in it self.
even if the Tilted kilt opens or not - I really do not care -I just LOVE it when people
have to really have to stop and think is it worth it ???
And for a church to get people all railled up is great and Funny .
Just have fun with it , I know I did as I was LOL any way - funny
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6.Yesterday, 03:18 PM #56

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If the pub is a slap in the face for this boy, then Christmas must be a kick in the goodies, with the Quincy Center all dolled up in pagan symbols!

And, yeah, it's funny when a religion gets its followers all riled up. History is replete with such hilarity.
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Some interesting insight, perhaps...

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2...uys-are-gross/
Ua Mau Ke Ea O Ka Aina I Ka Pono
The Life of the Land is Perpetuated in Righteousness

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Originally Posted by castledangerous
We are an army of two, Meggers, we cannot be stopped!
I will say that I am not nearly as excited about scantly clad waitresses as you probably are

Unless they look like this:

If so, then BRING ON THE FREEDOM!
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According to the Tilted Kilt web page under "History" is the statement, ...

"While the Tilted Kilt concept has its roots deep in the rousing tradition of Scottish, Irish and English Pubs ... Tilted Kilt was conceived to be a contemporary, Celtic-themed sports Pub staffed with beautiful servers in sexy plaid kilts and matching plaid bras."

That pretty much sums it up. They don't claim to be Scottish or historically authentic.

PS: The server in Meggers' picture violates the dress code.
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Originally Posted by castledangerous
We are an army of two, Meggers, we cannot be stopped!
Nah...count me in, too. I may not like seeing yer flatpack nineteen year old abs but I will defend to the death your right to flash then in order to get bigger tips.

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**Mael Coluim** · 10th September 12, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mookien
According to the Tilted Kilt web page under "History" is the statement, ...

"While the Tilted Kilt concept has its roots deep in the rousing tradition of Scottish, Irish and English Pubs ... Tilted Kilt was conceived to be a contemporary, Celtic-themed sports Pub staffed with beautiful servers in sexy plaid kilts and matching plaid bras."

That pretty much sums it up. They don't claim to be Scottish or historically authentic.

PS: The server in Meggers' picture violates the dress code.
Exactly ! That sums it up ! By the way Mookien , don't be upset with Meggers pic , I did give permission to use my picture , I was trying to show off my new sporran .
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Originally Posted by auld argonian
Nah...count me in, too. I may not like seeing yer flatpack nineteen year old abs but I will defend to the death your right to flash then in order to get bigger tips.

Best

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3.1st September 12, 02:41 AM #63

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Come on, Meggers, that is a waiter, not a waitress. But nowadays people seem to want to call them all waitrons. Meaningless word.
The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life.
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4.1st September 12, 03:05 AM #64

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Waitrons? new one on me. She likes what she likes I like what I like, the way it should be.
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Mike, maybe in your neck of the woods the word is now waitrons but here in "politically correct" to a fault, California, they are referred to as waitpersons
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6.1st September 12, 05:38 AM #66

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Having worked in the restaurant business for what seems like 100 years, the pc word these days is "servers". Waitpersons will work, but I don't see it used much. Waitrons is a word sort of coined by waiters and waitresses themselves to indicate the following of strict rules and regulations of the establishment. Its not insulting to the servers, but rather to the management LOL.
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I always just called them nice people who take care of my need for food and beverage. I like to smile at them and tell them how much we appreciate them. A kind tip is also helpful.
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Originally Posted by LitTrog
And, yeah, it's funny when a religion gets its followers all riled up. History is replete with such hilarity.
I know, right? The Crusades give me the giggles!

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Originally Posted by Father Bill
I always just called them nice people who take care of my need for food and beverage. I like to smile at them and tell them how much we appreciate them. A kind tip is also helpful.
Indeed Bill! I dislike any of the terms posited whether PC or not! As to 'server' it sounds to me like another form of 'servant' (not in the sense of ministry) and is no less insulting to human dignity than the older gendered terms.
“Ther’s mony a badge that’s unco braw;
Wi’ ribbon, lace and tape on;
Let kings an’ princes wear them a’ —
Gie me the Master’s apron!” (Bro. Robert Burns 1759-1796)

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Originally Posted by mookien

PS: The server in Meggers' picture violates the dress code.
tattle tail ;)

Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle
Come on, Meggers, that is a waiter, not a waitress. But nowadays people seem to want to call them all waitrons. Meaningless word.
Waitrons? That sounds way too sci-fi for me.
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Originally Posted by Meggers

Waitrons? That sounds way too sci-fi for me.
We could call them Servos. Or maybe just the ones who automatically sense when you need something--and then do something about it.

And why does your waiter look so anemic and petulant? Like he's just had it with whoever took his hemoglobin. And his shirt.
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Originally Posted by Father Bill
I always just called them nice people who take care of my need for food and beverage. I like to smile at them and tell them how much we appreciate them. A kind tip is also helpful.
My sentiments exactly. Or, putting it more precisely, ... ***
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Originally Posted by LitTrog
... And why does your waiter look so anemic and petulant? Like he's just had it with whoever took his hemoglobin. And his shirt.
... and his matching plaid bra.
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Originally Posted by mookien
... and his matching plaid bra.
That one is my fault...I took it.

Originally Posted by LitTrog
As a result of my independently undertaken session of heavy vetting, I discovered that the bras are tartan, also.

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That boy in Meggers's picture ain't even old enough to grow any hair on his chest. I'm surprised his mama let him pose like that.
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Meggers: Whats wrong with Sci-fi?
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Originally Posted by LitTrog

And why does your waiter look so anemic and petulant? Like he's just had it with whoever took his hemoglobin. And his shirt.
I mainly meant him from the neck down They didnt have any picturse of Joe Manganiello in a kilt so he had to do.

Originally Posted by Joe I
Meggers: Whats wrong with Sci-fi?

Meh. I'm more of a historical fantasy girl myself. Waitron sounds like space waitresses in big neon colored wigs and vinyl pointy shouldered serving dresses.
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I wouldn't call Harlequin Romances historical. Wink, wink.
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Originally Posted by Joe I
I wouldn't call Harlequin Romances historical. Wink, wink.
Step aside, Tolkien. Harlequin Romances are the only historical fantasies worth reading!

I felt blasphemous just typing that.
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Originally Posted by Meggers
Step aside, Tolkien. Harlequin Romances are the only historical fantasies worth reading!

I felt blasphemous just typing that.
The Hobbit coming to theaters soon!
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Originally Posted by Joe I
The Hobbit coming to theaters soon!
Ugh. I am still beyond annoyed that it's being made into a trilogy. Seriously? Seriously? Lets milk the LOTR franchise for all it's worth. Part of me doesnt even want to go see it now.

I was also a little bitter that Legolas and Galadriel are making appearances in the movie when they are nowhere to be found in the book (even though the elvenking of Mirkwood is Thranduil which is Legolas' dad so its possible he'd be hanging out there) until I realized that now I have someone I can dress up as when I go see the movie. lol. There are literally NO female characters in the entire Hobbit book. None. So I thought I was screwed dressing up as some dwarf.

Jackson makes beautiful movies so I cut him some slack on a lot of the character stuff but I was really honestly ticked about the trilogy thing. It's just unnecessary.
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I don't know why directors always have to mess up a favorite book when turning it into a movie, but they almost always do. I read a script for a movie of one of my favorite Heinlein books "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" I was so glad it was turned down.
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Sailortats wrote: “Mike, maybe in your neck of the woods the word is now waitrons but here in "politically correct" to a fault, California, they are referred to as waitpersons”

Waitpersons? Sounds like that odd word they use in the US for municipal councillors: councilman. Councillor is at least gender-neutral. Do you have female councilmen, or councilwomen?
I loathe the word waitron, but it is seen as the politically correct term to use in South Africa.

Meggers, it seems that you have missed out on Tom Bombadil, an important character in both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, who was left out of the LoTR trilogy. I imagine that part of the Hobbit trilogy will include at least some of Tom’s adventures, including his wooing of the lovely Goldberry (a female character, since you crave one).
Including Bombadil alone required extending the movie of The Hobbit, and since the LoTR trilogy left out other aspects, too, I imagine the new movie will fill in the gaps.
At any rate, I am looking forward to seeing it.
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Originally Posted by Meggers
Ugh. I am still beyond annoyed that it's being made into a trilogy. Seriously? Seriously? Lets milk the LOTR franchise for all it's worth. Part of me doesnt even want to go see it now. ...
As you probably know, the movie originally was to be made in two parts, but at the last minute it was decided that it would be a trilogy. When Jackson was asked why, he responded "to make more money". At least he was honest, or being funny, or both. In any case I believe the second film is due out a year after the first, and the third six months after the second. But, that's hearsay, so don't bet on it.

**Mael Coluim** · 10th September 12, 07:45 PM

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Hi folks,

I pose a question to all.

Just how far does a thread have to go off the original topic, or off the chosen topic of this forum, before someone must step in a call enough?

This thread has just been reported yet again.

Until the staff have had a chance to log on and discuss this latest report I am moving this thread to the cooling off corner.
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**Mael Coluim** · 10th September 12, 08:11 PM

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I want to say, that I posted this thead because 1. kilts are mentioned in a news article, 2. I thought that it would interest the people here. Not to start any controversy. I do think that in a normal conversation, ppl will mention other things. I have been to sites where I have been cussed at, cut down for no reason other than ppl know that fingers cannot go though the web to throttle a person for their rudeness. X markers are not rude! Even when they dissagree they/we are polite.
Thank you.
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I don't see any trolling here. The thread evolved, touched other topics, and generally remained interesting.

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Originally Posted by Joe I
ppl will mention other things.
Yes they will and if it is only in passing that is normally fine. When we end up with pages of stuff on these other things then the original intent of the thread can be lost.

If the other things are proving a popular topic of discussion then surely it is better for a new thread that specifically covers them rather than taking over and artificially extending the natural lifespan of the original thread.

This does not happen very often but it gives us poor Mods a lot of work when it does.
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To go back to the original topic.

Originally Posted by Tobus
But, that's the beauty of the concept of States' Rights. Contrary to popular belief, the so-called "separation of church and state" only applies to our federal government. States (and their political subdivisions) were intended to have this autonomy. It is very rarely supported in the courts, but still...
Point of order:

Article VI, Paragraph 2

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
Explained: If it's in the Constitution, it binds the States.

This is part of the ORIGINAL Constitution, and can't be stated to not be the intent of the Framers. Amendment I creates the Separation principle. It bound the states to the same principle as soon as it was ratified in 1791. States Rights only covers anything not covered by the Constitution, the US Code, and Ratified Treaties the US is party to per this Article.

Because of this, if the Tilted Kilt corporation does appeal to the courts, the most likely will win. I would suggest the city council to look into the results of the case involving the city of Augusta, GA and Xmart (an adult store). It cost my city/county a lot of money fighting a store on similar grounds to this city's fight with Tilted Kilt, with legal fees, court costs, and penalties the city had to pay. It would be easier to approve the business and let the local populace decide if the business stays open. If it doesn't make money, it will close.
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Yes they will and if it is only in passing that is normally fine. When we end up with pages of stuff on these other things then the original intent of the thread can be lost.
That's true, but so what? I could understand a desire to keep the original intent of the thread if it's in one of the kilt-specific forums and it's about a particular facet of kilt-wearing. Those threads are important for finding information later and helping others out, and I would agree that they should be kept on-topic for that reason.

But a random conversation in General Discussion? So what if it goes off topic? General Discussion forums are usually for general chit-chat. We are all adults here, and conversations will naturally flow. If it's not a topic that needs to be preserved for posterity and future use, the conversation remains civil, and the person who originated the thread doesn't care, why would we need someone directing the course of our conversation? That can be a bit insulting.
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Gee! It seems that this thread has been largely hi-jacked by a discussion of thread hi-jacking! Interesting, that! ;)
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Wow!!!!!The whole thread is a colossal waste of time and energy. Aren't there more important things to discuss?
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Originally Posted by Frank McGrath
Wow!!!!!The whole thread is a colossal waste of time and energy. Aren't there more important things to discuss?
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Certainly the last thing we poor Mods want to do is direct a course of conversation. We expect the Rules to do most of that.

But we are on the receiving end of the Rule #12 complaints that flow in and have to deal with each complaint.

That's why this thread has undergone what it has and continues to do.

Miscellaneous is not the same as a "General Discussion" - it still carries specific threads whose titles would end up as nonsensical over time if they became a free for all.